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If you have to say that , no the didn't because they were in the same position . Juho was 6th and Vouilloz 7th , both of them will do only a few rallies and they could have easily swapped places with title contender Kopecky in 8th , even though the time differences were much biggerQuote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
There was same situation with Vouilloz, Hänninen and Kopecký. Also many times before in IRC. But it's not about Škoda but about this year's edition of Monte Carlo which was 100 years aniversary of rallying and such special occasion should be kept as a celebration of sport spirit.
I absolutely agree with you Mirek, it is very sad decision by Quesnel to spoil first rally of the IRC season allready by tactics. It would be better if he doesn't interfer in IRC rallies and just goes and play in his WRC garden. :D
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Originally Posted by Mirek
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRP7H...&feature=feedu
nice video angle!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2uvK...eature=related
watch at 6,45 a moment and at 8,20 lolololol
In my opinion stages 7 and 8 MUST be cancelled due to safety reason, despite that MC is MC...
P.S.: Buffier is only lucky guy, not more. It was clear on last day. Hanninen is real winner. 7 and 8 stage is only bad luck for him
It is really lucky, that nobody has big crash on these two stages.
No, this is Monte Carlo as it always has been. It's not circuit racing. And by the way driving so slow on snow is muuuch safer than pushing on dry tarmac.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbrytskyy
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Originally Posted by Mirek
Damn, I love Mirek's answers - always spot on!
You are joking right?
Photos Rallye Montecarlo 2011 online... http://www.avetowrc.com/
http://www.avetowrc.com/Foto/Wrc/Mon...oto/index.html
my pictures from monte:
atmosphäre
http://www.rallyepics.at/bilder/rall...o/gallery.html
action
http://www.rallyepics.at/bilder/rall...n/gallery.html
reg
wrc1
Solberg considers IRC return
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89052
Are you Quensel with hidden name?Quote:
Originally Posted by sbrytskyy
The same guy who influenced to cancel a stage in GB due to ice on the road? And blamed local rescue cars that they cannot reach in time when something happens (who actually are prepared for such kind of situations, because such weather is normal there.. during the winter).
I wonder if all the Peugeot's would have had slicks and the conditions would have had the same, Mr Q most probably might have asked to cancel those stages, because it was dangerous:-P
On such conditions cars drive much slower and it is actually much safer for spectators and for drivers as well (like Mirek said already). Speed is the thing that kills, off during such a slow drifting only causes some punctures and cosmetic damages to the cars. Look at the average speed of those cars with slicks, Hänninens speed in the second snow stage was 60 km/h!
Look at Bouffier crash. He spun almost directly into the rock wall and nearly nothing happened, only some cosmetic damage! Thank to the low speed.
For me there are only three reasons to cancel the stage: 1) Force Majore (there is more than 50 cm of water or snow on the road, plane has crashed on the road, Mountain has fallen to the road, earthquake). 2) So many spectators are sleeping in the middle of the road that marshals are not able to carry them away in time. 3)There is an accident on the road and ambulance is occupied there.
It is not circuit racing! It is rally :-)
[skipping sarcasm]
Explain please why were cancelled stages in Mexico last year?
here´s my hd video from rallye monte carlo 2011, have fun!
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2751/...umonte2011.jpg
direkt link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGjkSetDDRI&hd=1
Only one stage, SS20, Sauz Seco, something around 7 kms.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbrytskyy
Cancelled already before Sunday due to thousands of fans. The stage was situated on a mountain wall, steep downhill and didn't have anything else than hairpin left-hundred meters-hairpin right-hundred meters-hairpin left and so on. No guard rails. Someone said "hey what if car starts to roll down, it won't stop and could easily crush hundreds of people?" --> Cancellation. Wise preventative move.
By Mirek : " Nothing really special. I was only sad that Mr. Qusnel decided to spoil even a centenary edition of this magic event by playing tactics. But it happened. It's especially sad for Sarrazin who was clearly faster than Wilks. "
A cloud of bitterness with Skoda losing the rally, right ?
Bouffier overcame all troubles in good agreement with Lady fortune and got on top of podium, no blah blah tactics excuse in there.
Peugeot being weaker than Skoda (car, drivers), Quesnel is a sheep who had clear instructions from the PSA board to win the rally, whoever might be 'used' in the team.
Nothing spoiled, just real world.
A great MC edition. The Italian crew cheering his fans on Turini is really something latin. ;-)
Škoda didn't had a teamorder. They could do it if they wanted to do this as Vouilloz was ahead of Kopecký for the whole last leg just as other forum members already said, so the answer is no. I believe Škoda has a lot more support than Peugeot on this forum and Quesnel is just another stupid person by Peugeot (and Citroën in WRC).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
I think it is time for forum awards. For sure Mirek and some other members here must be nominated for best members and very good answers.
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Originally Posted by dimviii
Nice, the real action is not made by the factory drivers :eek: (yeah, I know, they are for sure not factory) :rolleyes: ... Thanks for video. ;)
Nice honest appraisal from Petter there. I must say that it was really great to have Petter around for this event, even if the final result was probably not what a lot of people expected. Would be great to have him back for Corsica.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6789
No, it has nothing to do with Škoda. They failed in critical decision and that's all. It's not about them being lightyears slower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karukera
I'm just sad about all that crap Mr.Q brings into any sport he does. I know it's not forbidden but it's really annoying. And I was hoping that such special edition of Monte Carlo will be kept without this. Sadly I was wrong.
Remember what they did to Audi not so long a go in Chinese round of LMS when they slowed down chasing Kristensen by another team car?
Remember how he was crying about fighting with factory team in IRC? So why he enters his factory cars under private banners when in moments like this he shows how private they are? Just have a look into entry list into column "competitor"...
Remember him slowing down Rautenbach for 20 minutes to give points to Ogier?
I know I can't do anything against that and can live with that but I would never like it.
You seem to be angry to see your flemish driver losing out to a Francophone driver driving a Francophone car and i can understand that. It won't happen too often this year, Škoda will crush them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wim_Impreza
The only awards that i see these days are there : http://www.acm.mc/ramc/ramc_main.php?lng=fr
Who care as to who gets more support for a certain team in the forum since it's open to everyone with all members being respected the same way. This is what makes the forum a pleasant experience.
Since you mention him, Mirek is an asset for the community with extensive knowledge and is generally speaking common sense with interesting informations. Fact is i found his post partial and not reflecting the general atmosphere and outcome of the MC2011 making it a great edition.
Last thing, i wouldn't call stupid someone (Quesnel) having a handful of World Rallies Titles under his belt.
I'd rather call him a PSA board sweet lamb and an average journalist who got his position only by praising Peugeot sportscars 30 years in row in his average magazine.
While i agree with you on the spirit of the sport plus a few things about Quesnel in my post above, you can hardly put a shadow on this MC edition because of a few dirty tricks happening behind and for a man whose speeches can be variously interpreted depending on the interviewer's language.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
If you put things in perspective, ACM "gifted" 100 crews with a superb edition, thrilling conditions, tires gambling, a true Turini and much more to enjoy. We even have an honorable winner who actually won a couple of stages.
Although my favorite driver Hanninen dind't win, i was a happy camper in the frozen woods.
Don't get me wrong, what I pointed about tactics can't spoil my feelings from Monte Carlo. I was there and it was an awesome event, one of the best I have ever witnessed. This is just a tiny point of a dreamer ;)
That was so good rally.. :)
Agree partially. But it is not fair, when weather condition changes significantly and first crews don't have possibility to change wheels and the only chance for them is to guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
It is not rally anymore, it is casino.
As for driving in snow - it is much slower, but it is not safer. It is more fun for funs. But for sure it is not anymore rally - driving on snow on slicks.
I wanted to say, that must be some new rules, which makes possible to change wheel in such unpredictible conditions
More Monte Carlo Photos
http://www.supermotores.net/sm/fotos.asp?id=211
http://www.supermotores.net/sm/fotos.asp?id=212
I dont agree with you - it is usual specific of Rallye Monte Carlo - tyre choice, unpredictable weather, changing conditions. Thats why this event is "specific one" in all championships, why people loves it. It isnt about to be fastest, but to be in finish on first place. It is not fight about seconds, but mainly about minutes. And you are not sure about your position till you dont reach finish line of last stage (or better finish at Monaco, you can retire in liaison after last stage)...Quote:
Originally Posted by sbrytskyy
Correct me, if I am wrong, but did Delecour and Bouffier not run earlier on the road than Solberg and Hanninen? If they (Delecour/Bouffier) could get the informations needed to decide that winter and/or studs were the way to go, then Solberg and Hanninen had even more time to make the decission.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbrytskyy
I didn't mean exactly both of them, despite my sympathy to Hanninen. I meant in general situation. I don't think anyway driving on snow and ice with slicks it is funny. I know what I am talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by hsmed
As for Hanninen and Skoda - sad but true :( I don't know exactly by what part of body were they thinking, especially if they knew about snow...
Photogallery from last day of Rallye Monte Carlo by Roman Kasparek - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=11644
http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/2...99c7087ad9.jpghttp://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/0...f8eec696e4.jpghttp://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/7...3a6bd74606.jpg
I made a small reconstruction of the most important day this year Monte - Thursday 20th January. It is in czech, but with translator I think you can understand a lot. And if not, it is very easy to watch pictures on the bottom.
And finally the link - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=11642
Great job! Many thanks :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Another photogallery from Monte, now made by Petr Fryba - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=11650
http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/6...53ba16cd8a.jpghttp://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/f...e439d0bfec.jpghttp://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/1...a1b4e50f08.jpg
I have updated my article about tyre choice - now are added words of Michal Hrabanek and also view one of gravel crews...Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=11642
Photos of SS 7 here : http://www.rally-news.fr/gallery/show/9764
Enjoy