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That's a whole lot of words to say absolutely nothing :\Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Exactly, so what was the outcome of this meeting. What is the way forward for this struggling sport? Nothing except it was a good meeting............Quote:
Originally Posted by Lousada
Well how about getting the sporting side sorted before trying to make money. That's why the sport is in the mess it is in now - they made all these changes to make it popular and make money - er, didn't work. Go back to about 10-15 years - that's more how the WRC should be. This isn't F1....
I totally agree. Rally is a marathon not a sprint, bring back the four day events.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
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Originally Posted by AndyRAC
You remind me of the grumpy old man who used to work with me. Never an original thought in his head or a positive word from his mouth. Been there thirty years "been there, seen that, done that, it failed, so let's not bother!"
I didn't really like him much either.
Making a success of something like this is very rarely about reinventing the wheel. It's about looking around you and taking elements of best practice from other areas, then taking the assets you have and working with them.
The past failures in our sport have generally not been practical failures but political ones. We have the basis for a fabulous sport and if as suggested there is a desire go work together to take it forward, then surely this can only be good news. Add to this togetherness ISC's stated desire to invest heavily in the product and we truly have a bright future ahead.
Still, there was always be the grumpy old synic in the corner looking for everyone to fail. Sad really.
You know sometimes when I am reading AndyRac comments I think that you are actually my wife with secret name:-PQuote:
Originally Posted by Rally_Rocks
Be more positive! Look out from the window. Sun is shining! or.. It is raining so nicely! .. or clouds are so beautiful today!
Look, I'll be positive if there's a reason to be. This is/was a fantastic sport - and can still be, but only if the right decisions are made. What was wrong with the sport before all these changes were made? The people in charge weren't making enough money - so they decided to change the sport to make money. Look were we are now. That's the reason why I'm grumpy about the WRC, however I'm positive about the IRC - which isn't perfect either, but has more positives than negatives.
Any kind of progres for our sport we like is good..
You’re not being fair to Andy…Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally_Rocks
Even Guy Frequélin, that hardly could be seen as a "grumpy old cynic", has his doubts about the FIA rally governance:
"Vous avez vu le plateau de ces Boucles ? Incroyable ! Je pense qu'en voyant une telle chose, la FIA devrait comprendre qu'elle n'a pas fait évoluer ses réglementations dans le bon sens ces dernières années... Sincèrement, ce samedi, je pense qu'il y aura plus à voir lors des Legend Boucles de Spa qu'au Rallye de Norvège !" http://www.speedactiontv.be/Guy_Freq...e_-2021-3.aspx
PS: maybe the lack of conclusions of this seminar is due to the proximity of next WMSC…
And for us that have a slight challenge with french:
http://translate.google.be/translate...e_-2021-3.aspx
:p
Thanks Sulland!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
I think Andy is correct to say his opinion, and I'm sure he longs for a return to spectacular rallying with multiple teams and the best drivers who get paid to drive for factory teams. Whats wrong with that?
But there are many different factions that have made the current wrc into the state it is, ISC with their pathetic style of filming and commentary, the teams who all wanted the rally around the service park format of 3 stages double ran each day, (dont forget its the teams who wanted that) the corporate entertainment service park mimicing the F1 paddock, (another teams wish) FIA for adding 2 long haul events Mexico and Japan when budgets were tight and resulted in Skoda, Mitsubishi and Peugeot departing. FIA for encouraging new events who paid big money and put on good events which lead to Ireland opening 09 season whilst Monte was in IRC. Crazy high admission charges to spectate on stages in some countries, establishment of barriers to keep the real fans away when the corporate guests get wined and dined in service. and finally the engineers (bless them) who have made cars so technologically perfectly able to defy the laws of physics but made them look boring. It could get better, but rallying need sto get back to basics.
New racer from M-Sport!
Fiesta R2 comes in July
http://rally.avtomanija.com/fotoz/No...75/title_s.jpg
http://rally.avtomanija.com/default.asp?rb=2&id=1103
Good news :)
It says that it will have a 1,6 l Ti-VCT engine and 5-speed Sadev gearbox.
Testing starts at the end of March.
Great news!
And Victor Henriksson is the man who will test the car.
Henning Solberg is going to run his rallycross car in he Super-G ski hills near Lillehammer next weekend. It looks like he is atempting to drive uphill as fast as the skiers goes downhill...
http://www.motorsport.no/wip4/detail.epl?id=417181
Google translation:
Running a car in the downward course
As the end of the world cup'en in Kvitfjell will rally driving Henning Solberg attempt to set world record in Kvitfjell with a car.
Henning Solberg will run in downhill downward course in Kvitfjell under World in alpine.
- Should I? Ask Henning Solberg us.
You know nothing about it?
- Yes, I know I should run rallycross car, but do not know if I should run up and down. I am doing just as I told these days I, Henning laughs.
World record attempt will take place Sunday 8 March after completion of the Super-G ski.
- “I take the challenge regardless of what it is, "said Henning.
Are you not at risk?
- No.
It's Leif Nilsen in “Gatebil” witch is organising the world record attempt, and he is very secretive about what the plans are.
- I will not say much about this, but it is quite clear that the downward defiance will be used. So it may be up to the imagination. Up or down, or a giant jump. It is none who have done this before, laughing Leif.
It is not the first time Henning Solberg adopt olympia plant from the Olympics in Lillehammer. Rally driver has been tested bob-path by Hunderfossen in TopGear.
According to the Greek site rally.gr Morris Chandler says that the engines of the top category won't be supercharged till 2013!!!!!! :eek: Do you know anything more special about that???
This was in last weeks meeting and wont be ratified until March World Council meeting, but it says S2000 with a kit of aero parts but no turbo will be the future of wrc cars until 2013 when the engines are likely to change to 1600 turbo charged engines. This is more keeping the trend for smaller but turbo charged engines in mainstream cars. Also heared that VW are lobbying for this 1600T to be a diesel.
Then the S2000 (R4) is not far behind !Quote:
Originally Posted by urabus-denoS2000
Hopefully
Ford is working on S2000 for a long time, first outing will be this autumn/winter.
Restrictor size?Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
QUOTE=urabus-denoS2000;593779]New racer from M-Sport!
Fiesta R2 comes in July
http://rally.avtomanija.com/fotoz/No...75/title_s.jpg
http://rally.avtomanija.com/default.asp?rb=2&id=1103[/QUOTE]
Not really a great lot of interest in that car its only 1600cc.....I'm waiting for the S2000 which should have been out testing now, Ford are way behind in S2000
Saabaru: I hope for no restrictor but limited boost which is must cheaper solution...
While I agree with the point of coming up with a cheaper idea to limit horsepower, limiting boost levels is not the answer as different engine designs respond differently to differnt forced induction pressures.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
Marcus Grönholm and Mattias Ekström will (as mentioned before) participate in tomorrows Vasaloppet.
An interview with Mattias can be found here:
http://svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?...54&lpos=rubrik
you can also follow their progress at
http://www.resultat.vasaloppet.se/va.../result/search
enter Mattias' or Marcus' startnumber where it says "Startnummer" and click "sök".
Mattias nr: 15494
Marcus nr: 11510
the race starts at 08.00 CET.
In what way different engine designs? Bore/stroke ratio, valve lift, camshaft timings?Quote:
Originally Posted by grugsticles
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Originally Posted by Ghostwalker
Are you sure for Marcus participation ??.. Because friday he was sick.. And number 11510 i found Persson, Andreas & Söderqvist, Gisela
???
i didnt know he was sick so i am not sure about his participation. i tried to look up his name again but the system didnt find it so possibly he has withdrawn since i look earlier today.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbmarcus21
Yeah all that along with actual block designs - ie. in-line 4 vs flat four for example, or if its closed/semi-closed/open/sleeved deck etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
Thanks. I know what a sleeved is but if you could please yet explain what closed/semi-closed/open means. Whit a flat four I assume you mean a boxer engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by grugsticles
.Yoy can also find open/semi closed deck engine blocks and at 4 in line engines.
ie evo9 is a closed deck.
evo x is a semiclosed deck
sti spec c is semiclosed too.
closed or semiclosed decks have more strength than open deck blocks.
very important for high boost turbocharged engines with als systems.
Click here as it is explained from some subaru guys..
http://images.google.gr/imgres?imgur...%3Del%26sa%3DG
Hej Old Finn, open deck is when there is more or less 360 degrees of water surrounding the cylinder like many die cast blocks and for example the early Ford V4 used in the great mighty Saab 96 up to maybe mid 1968.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
Subaru seems to have borrowed a lot of dimesions from the V4, made the block out of recycled pistons, and copied the dumb idea of "Open deck".
http://legacycentral.org/images/memb.../open_deck.jpg
They did at some point have "closed deck" or material attaching the cylinder to the rest of the block at some earlier point>
http://legacycentral.org/images/memb...losed_deck.jpg
Subaru clearly got lost in their thinking, and went the opposite direction than the Ford V4 which started open deck then went closed, and after that Trollhättan trolls made some fairly OK power out of the thing.
Subaru has clearly lost their way.
Thanks for helping with the explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Subaru did use closes deck blocks for the early Liberty/Legacy's (ie. 89 to 93) and some early classic WRX's, but then moved to open deck.
Since then modern WRX's and STi's tend to use semi-closed deck (basically an open deck with rods welded into placed around the cylinder sleeve to stop it from moving at high RPM and loads). You can get quite good performance from a semi-closed deck block. 300+kw at the wheels with the right supporting mods is quite common.
Im not sure what Subaru WRC's use but I certainly wouldnt say they have lost their way in terms of engine design. Then again, Im a Subaru fan:P
A rumour in Greece says that Aris Vovos will contest this year's Acropolis with an EVO 9 from Ralliart Italy. He wanted to take part with a C4 WRC, but due to economic crisis, he changed his mind.
Interesting :)
Elena: “When I am not next to him, Sebastian does not win!"
http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk...%20quad%20race
Thanks a lot grugsticles, janvanvurpa and dimviiiQuote:
Originally Posted by grugsticles
Volkswagens WRC plans are on hold. They (first) gonna defend their victory in the 2010 Dakar rally. Despite the hugh losses, the investment for the Dakar are worth it, because the publicity of their victory were hugh al over the world. But the WRC budget has to be given to the rally raid program. VW will probarly maintain their crew, so Carlos Sainz will have a second change to take the Dakar rally.
Yes saw that VW will defend the Dakar title, so Polo with SA and RGRS will still be the top VW rally car !