Fuel issue- No penalty for BMW/Williams- McLaren to appeal

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24th October 2007, 23:59
wmcot

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

What have BMW and Williams had to say on the matter? All I've read is why McLaren feel that it's "too important" for them to not appeal. BMW and Williams have effectively been accused of or caught, depending on your point of view, cheating yet seem to be rather silent on the issue.

Haven't heard a thing. I guess they're not expecting too much to come from this. Perhaps Frank is trying to talk some sense into his "friend" Ron?
25th October 2007, 08:30
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by tinchote

Haug claims that they are appealing not to win the title but to obtain a clarification of the rules and "in the best interest of all teams". Why do they need to lie like that? :mad:

Where's the lie?

I come back to the point that if this had happened in the middle of the season it would be seen as perfectly normal - a question over the legality of cars, FIA say they were outside the regulations, stewards say issue is unclear, team that has lost out if cars were illegal appeal the decision.

If we weren't talking about McLaren and the final race of the year then most would see the appeal as being fully justified.

McLaren aren't asking for anything but for the FIA to examine the stewards decision. Unlike some there they're not assuming that Hamilton will be awarded points as a result of the appeal.
25th October 2007, 09:15
DonJippo

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I come back to the point that if this had happened in the middle of the season it would be seen as perfectly normal - a question over the legality of cars, FIA say they were outside the regulations, stewards say issue is unclear, team that has lost out if cars were illegal appeal the decision.

One could also ask would McLaren appeal if it was middle of the season?
25th October 2007, 09:38
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by DonJippo

One could also ask would McLaren appeal if it was middle of the season?

Yes, the nature of Haug's comments suggest that they would have appealed then as well because the issue is not the championship, but a possible breach of the rules.
25th October 2007, 09:47
Ranger

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Yes, the nature of Haug's comments suggest that they would have appealed then as well because the issue is not the championship, but a possible breach of the rules.

But the championship is very much the issue. If Hamilton had won the race and the title, McLaren wouldn't be giving two ****s about this.
25th October 2007, 10:15
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by Malllen

If Hamilton had won the race and the title, McLaren wouldn't be giving two ****s about this.

Perhaps, but any team who may have potentially lost out due to another team(s) breaking a rule is fully entitled to appeal a decision of the FIA stewards. That applies at any point during the season.

Why McLaren are being criticised for doing what any team would do in their circumstances is bemusing :crazy: But then it is McLaren and Ron Dennis we're talking about :dozey:
25th October 2007, 10:42
ioan

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Why McLaren are being criticised for doing what any team would do in their circumstances is bemusing :crazy: But then it is McLaren and Ron Dennis we're talking about :dozey:

Because it's in contrast with their earlier stance?!
I say it's sufficient.
25th October 2007, 11:07
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by ioan

Because it's in contrast with their earlier stance?!
I say it's sufficient.

What earlier stance :confused:
25th October 2007, 12:50
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Where's the lie?

I come back to the point that if this had happened in the middle of the season it would be seen as perfectly normal - a question over the legality of cars, FIA say they were outside the regulations, stewards say issue is unclear, team that has lost out if cars were illegal appeal the decision.

If we weren't talking about McLaren and the final race of the year then most would see the appeal as being fully justified.

McLaren aren't asking for anything but for the FIA to examine the stewards decision. Unlike some there they're not assuming that Hamilton will be awarded points as a result of the appeal.

I agree with all of that as far as the bare facts are concerned, but I still feel that McLaren's actions at this point in time are extremely ill-judged. They smack of sour grapes, and I really think they would be well advised to let it lie.
25th October 2007, 13:25
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I really think they would be well advised to let it lie.

That would probably be best. In fact apart from Kimi's title, and Hamilton's rookie season I'd be happy to put the whole to the 2007 season to bed.

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