Silly Season 2015

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Originally Posted by Mirek

That's twisted logic. It was him who made them looking like no opposition. If he was not there You could follow 5 years of battles for the title and maybe You would celebrate how great years those were. How would You know they were so bad if there was nobody better? It's Loeb who made them looking like bunch of amateurs and that's why he is the greatest of all because nobody else ever managed to beat his rivals for almost a decade so badly that people started to think others are just so bad.

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May be that's why IRC was so popular those years. There was actually some competition....

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

May be that's why IRC was so popular those years. There was actually some competition....

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yeap because there wasnt any driver with big difference from the others.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

yeap because there wasnt any driver with big difference from the others.

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And why we should celebrate the "tradition" as it was few years ago, when it would be so much better at present?

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

May be that's why IRC was so popular those years. There was actually some competition....

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IRC was never popular... IRC was (and is) followed by some hardcore rally fans and that is it... you can see that from the amount of people you see on the stages.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

IRC was never popular... IRC was (and is) followed by some hardcore rally fans and that is it... you can see that from the amount of people you see on the stages.

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Not that I would disagree with You but You chose a wrong argument. I'm pretty sure number of spectators on stages of Ypres or Barum has regularly exceeded many WRC events. I don't want to play numbers as it's a question how do organizations or police count spectators in each country but the only WRC rally which has clearly more spectators than Ypres is Argentina.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

IRC was never popular... IRC was (and is) followed by some hardcore rally fans and that is it... you can see that from the amount of people you see on the stages.

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Somehow for me it seems IRC got more attention than WRC, despite the amount of people in the stages. WRC Rally is WRC Rally no matter what....

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Not that I would disagree with You but You chose a wrong argument. I'm pretty sure number of spectators on stages of Ypres or Barum has regularly exceeded many WRC events. I don't want to play numbers as it's a question how do organizations or police count spectators in each country but the only WRC rally which has clearly more spectators than Ypres is Argentina.

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Both Belgium and Czech republic do not have a WRC round... comparison is better done between countries that host both, or hosted one and the other.

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

And why we should celebrate the "tradition" as it was few years ago,

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nobody celebrating the ''tradition'',just mentioning the facts as it was few years ago.

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

when it would be so much better at present?

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you really saw strong competition to Ogier this year or the previous?

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Originally Posted by dimviii

nobody celebrating the ''tradition'',just mentioning the facts as it was few years ago.

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How facts few years ago are relevant when You have actual competition at present, this is ridiculous....

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Originally Posted by dimviii

you really saw strong competition to Ogier this year or the previous?

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No, but how is this relevant? Loeb absence?

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Originally Posted by RAS007

We aren't talking about Ogier. I agree that Loeb is one of the greats, I just don't think that he is the greatest; the fact remains that for 5 of his 9 titles, he faced practically no opposition, which is something some are unwilling to admit. Obviously, this was not Loeb's fault, but after 2007, the championship had effectively ceased to be a competition. I would have loved to see him try for a title in another car, or not to have "retired" just as VW were arriving on the scene. The WRC would have been better for it.

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If he had lost a title too Hiroven or Latvala, or another to Solberg would you then regard him higher? The opposition was not weak, they just appeared to be as they were bettered so often by Loeb, as has been pointed out he ended the career of some big names who had absolutely no answer to his pace and consistency on all surfaces