another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

I think USA is going to increase the abundance of weapons and be more lenient with conceal carry laws. If anything, Sandy Hook has made people more scared and paranoid. Guns will actually be more of an expensive commodity because gun prices have done nothing but increase since the shooting at Sandy Hook.

$800 AR-15s are now going for a minimum of $1000-1200 in some places. Ridiculous!

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Originally Posted by Roamy

“You can have my guns when you take them from my cold, dead hands.” quote Heston a true American

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Yeah, well, he's dead now, so I guess some widower has already snatched up that gat.

Edit: What the hell is a "true American?"

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I was in Switzerland many years ago and was told that a long gun is a requirement in each household .
I am not sure that is true , but I was told it was a condition derived from desire for national defense , and that , as a result , almost the entire population could be mobilized almost instantly as a civilian militia .

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This is true. However and this is just a few of the conditions from Swiss gun legislation:
- all automatic weapons banned.
- all semi-automatic weapons banned.
- all people must get a Weapons Purchasing Permit (and pass a criminal background and psychological test).
- to carry a gun on the street requires a Weapons Carrying Permit (they are normally only given to security and the police).
- all private weapons must be stored in a locked box.
- until 2007, government issued ammunition was kept in sealed boxes which was a criminal offence to open. Now ammunition is not kept at civilian premises.
SR 514.541 Verordnung ber Waffen, Waffenzubehr und Munition
SR 514.54 Bundesgesetz vom 20. Juni 1997 ber Waffen, Waffenzubehr und Munition (Waffengesetz, WG) (there is a PDF on this page which is quite extensive)

If America tried to enact similar legislation, all automatic and semi-automatic weapons would have to be seized immediately, as would virtually all ammunition, locked boxes would be required in people's houses that had guns and most people would be disallowed from carrying a gun outside.

It would however be closer to the actual wording of the second amendment:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Switzerland probably has the most highly regulated rules for gun ownership in the Western World. This point is almost always ignored by pro-gun people in the United States.

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

But I do hope that as part of this change that we have the chance to seriously tackle,
that mental illness issues are given top priority.

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I'm with you 100% on that.

Though, on second thought, some of us motorsports junkies may have to start looking over our shoulders for the people in the white coats.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Edit: What the hell is a "true American?"

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I was going to say an indian, but they're immigrants too, just been here longer.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

It would however be closer to the actual wording of the second amendment:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

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You've overlooked the other part of the second amendment, which I've highlighted for you.

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Originally Posted by Starter

You've overlooked the other part of the second amendment, which I've highlighted for you.

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No I didn't:

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Originally Posted by Rollo

all automatic and semi-automatic weapons would have to be seized immediately, as would virtually all ammunition, locked boxes would be required in people's houses that had guns and most people would be disallowed from carrying a gun outside

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You can still bear arms with appropriate regulation. It doesn't interfere with the wording of the Amendment at all.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

No I didn't:


You can still bear arms with appropriate regulation. It doesn't interfere with the wording of the Amendment at all.

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No you can't - from your quote ....."most people would be disallowed".....

So you're cherry picking words to look at an argument, just like you choose to interpret the legislation. That's dishonest and a formal fallacy.

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

ahhhhhh . . . who could forget the old Moses when he took his NRA stand. ;)

But I do hope that as part of this change that we have the chance to seriously tackle,
that mental illness issues are given top priority.

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yes mental illness and guns do not mix. This was a case of just that. What the hell was she thinking putting guns in the hands of this whack kid. He was diagnosed so something could have been done. The father also apparently knew of this and he did nothing except pay a bunch of money. This is a avenue to move forward. Lord knows we have enough bandwidth to have a database.

And Gloomy a true american is one who follows the constitution.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

So you're cherry picking words to look at an argument, just like you choose to interpret the legislation. That's dishonest and a formal fallacy.

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The freedoms we enjoy as part of our Bill of Rights does not contain anything about "some people" or "certain people" or "need special permission" or "only members of a certain group". It says "The people".
Interpret that yourself.