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Obviously you Gary and a few others disagree .... Yet every year the series takes another step backwards ..... It's stuck in1997

Why not just run the Indy lights?

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Originally Posted by fan-veteran

But there is not much room left for " new lap record". Adding extra horsepower may launch lap speed in Indy above 240mph, but this will last only for a few years. And what next, 245 mph, than 250mph, all this in a period of 10-15 years? :confused: The safety limits of speed (in Indy) even with SAFER barriers are somewhat empirically established - no more than 230mph at corners.

But well, lets do some pure mathematics. If we assume cornering speed to be around 225mph (and we may control this as a spec-chassis series with of course spec-aerodynamics) as it is now, we need top speed to be about 250mph in order to achieve average 240mph which turns to be "new lap record". Such top speed in such a wide and smooth road as IMS i think is purely acceptable, even 260mph is acceptable (which by the way should increase average to about 245mph). I see the problem with mistakes (or even technical failures) while breaking/lowering the speed entering the corner.

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Boundaries need to continually be pushed as the threshold is found. That may require many changes over the years from car design to track design, but to maintain the interest of the fans the envelope needs to continually be pushed or lose interest.

Guess what? Fans have lost interest!

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Originally Posted by Starter

Ken, I stand corrected. A new lap record is exactly what we need. The pure speed will attract droves of new fans and bring old ones back.

That is why the telecasts from Bonneville are on in prime time with sponsors fighting each other to buy air time and viewership ratings well up in double digits.

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It's not the point of attaining a lap record its what a lap record represents!!! Why do you guys not understand that???

There is one thing and one thing only that separates each category through the ladders in any series throughout the world, whether it is USF2000 to Mazda to Lights to Indy Car or Formula Renault, F3, GP2, F1, one thing only that separates and differentiates each rung to the next and that is SPEED!

And you freaking guys want to sit there and say no, no, no, lets slow them down, big speed, top speed matters nothing.

BS!!! It is everything. Every-freaking-thing.

Otherwise, eliminate Indy Car all together and just run Indy Lights. If it is all about competitive racing, and if fans are to stupid to differentiate 215 and 230, run lights, abolish Indy Car, it solves everything.

Starter, Gary, anybody else that rides the same bus, why not just do that? Why isn't Indy Lights more popular?

Hey Gary.........Gary, Gary, Gary.....why did Penske waste all his time and resources year after year developing new chassis'? Why did Lola? Why did March? Why did Swift? Why did Reynard?

Why did Cosworth waste millions and millions of dollars year after year developing new engines? Why did Honda? Toyota? Judd? Porsche? General Motors? Ford?

In 2000 Gil de ferran drove Fontanas oval at 241.426 a world speed record for a closed course. They need to break that record. If not why race
Ask Craig Breedlove,Ask Barry Bonds, Ask Joe Montana. If there was a new track record you guys would not stop talking about it. Go Loneranger
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Here you go folks!!

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Now, let's hope the fixes to this chassis are a whole lot better than polishing a turd!!

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

You aren't going to have any sort of disparity Gary by purposefully slowing the car down. For the most part these guys are all professional drivers, they get the maximum out of the car. You will end up with 20 cars running identical times. It all ready happens! Slow them down even more and you will only exasperate the problem.

Lost on you is the fact that it isn't about proclaiming a "new track record" it is about representing the pinnacle of the sport, and speed is one of the few measuring sticks motorsports has in doing do.

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Who said ANYTHING about "purposefully slowing the car down"? What has been called for be me and in case you hadn't noticed MANY of the drivers in the series is to take away the 100% throttle "racing". And how are they suggesting that be done? By increasing horsepower and decreasing downforce. If a side effect of that is the cars are slower, who gives a rats ass. If raw speed is YOUR measuring stick go watch drag racing or go to Bonneville (and take your snide homophobic remarks with you). The measure of this form of racing is on track competition.

Gary

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

Hey Gary.........Gary, Gary, Gary.....why did Penske waste all his time and resources year after year developing new chassis'? Why did Lola? Why did March? Why did Swift? Why did Reynard?

Why did Cosworth waste millions and millions of dollars year after year developing new engines? Why did Honda? Toyota? Judd? Porsche? General Motors? Ford?

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Oh man this is just too easy. They all did it for one reason, to beat the competition and win a championship. It sure as hell wasn't to set a "neeeeeeeeew laaaaaaap record". In case you hadn't noticed there is no racing series that awards a championship to the car with the fastest speed, not even the NHRA. Oh wait, I'm sorry there are two, both run at Bonneville. Those are the SCTA and USFRA.

Gary

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

Boundaries need to continually be pushed as the threshold is found. That may require many changes over the years from car design to track design, but to maintain the interest of the fans the envelope needs to continually be pushed or lose interest.

Guess what? Fans have lost interest!

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Really, at what cost of finding that threshold. A car in the stands? When was the last time NASCAR broke a track record? Until the economy caught up with them they weren't having too much trouble finding fans.

Gary