Pirelli

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Originally Posted by ioan

Maybe, but 10 laps or less? Just sayin'.

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Don't get me wrong some races this year did have way to many pitstops through very wearing tyres, which is not great for Pirelli, but I have also thought some races this year have been improved when the tyres performed better.

I have no doubt that bridgestone or Michelin may have cut out those poor races as they have a much better pedigree in F1, but I don't feel it is right to just completely slam Pirelli for every race.

They have made tyres too soft for some races, but F1 chose them rather than another tyre company and this has only been the case for a few races and not every one. So for the races they got it wrong I critised and for the races I feel they have done a good job I praise.

And the races that saw the alarming degradation seem to have been put behind us for now, so maybe they are learning and getting it right.

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Originally Posted by aki13

I thought it was mentioned last year that Bernie or FIA or whoever it was, did say they would like softer less durable tyres! After people running the whole race bar one lap on Bridgestone Soft tyres.

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Back farther in the thread myself and several others posted links from before the season start saying this was what was to be delivered. It's just that Ioan continues to ignore them and stated the tires are crap. Same as it ever was. :)

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Originally Posted by airshifter

Back farther in the thread myself and several others posted links from before the season start saying this was what was to be delivered. It's just that Ioan continues to ignore them and stated the tires are crap. Same as it ever was. :)

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Post a link from when the tire tender was open, not from when the drivers complained Pirelli and the FIA realized that the tires were crap. After all these specs were in the FIA tender weren't they? Or was this an open tender without specs?

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Originally Posted by ioan

Post a link from when the tire tender was open, not from when the drivers complained Pirelli and the FIA realized that the tires were crap. After all these specs were in the FIA tender weren't they? Or was this an open tender without specs?

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The tyre tender, as I expect you know, would have been confidential. However both Arrows and myself have posted links to well before the first Pirelli had been released from its mould, quoting people like Bernie saying that he hoped the new tyres would contribute to the show.

I fail to grasp why you cannot or will not understand that these quotes pre-date any perceived shortcomings of the tyres. Time is linear*, perhaps you were off sick the day your school covered that in science lessons. Other than that, I can only conclude you're trolling.

(*from our perspective, before any smartarse starts quoting quantum physics and string theory at me :p )

There's nothing in the laws of physics which says time has to run forwards all the time.

If Pirelli want to save money the FIA should get rid of the stupid 'two compounds' rule so they only need to bring one type to each track.

So all we have is claims and hopes from Bernie, and me thinking you guys have some tangible proof that the FIA had imposed these crap specs to the participants to the tender.
Good too know what are the basis to your claims and tries to change other people's minds.

Anyway I'm done with losing my time answering people who mainly only insult other forum members.

Here are some links of the before the fact excuses, still ignored. :)

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Originally Posted by airshifter

I guess Bernie, Pirelli, Jenson, and a bunch of the fans started making up excuses before the fact?

Formula 1

That contains comments regarding Bernies desires and feelings about the Pirellis, including comments about not wanting too much durability.

Formula 1

That links points out that the softer compounds will improve performance at the expense of durability, which will make for more strategy decisions. Remind me how many F1 races had taken place in February?

Formula 1

Another article that mentions the importance of strategy and tire management. Button comments that it's "what everyone wanted". I guess Jenson was making excuses before the season started in exchange for kickbacks from Pirelli? :laugh:


Well before the season started Pirelli stated they were going to make tires that would require two to three stops per race on average. But they also made it very clear that using the softer compounds in an aggressive manner would cause more rapid degradation and more stops. It seems the powers that be that brought Pirelli into F1 for this season are happy with the outcome.

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And the 'fun' continues:

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"Something needs to happen," Hembery told AUTOSPORT. "I am going to have a sit down with Oliver [Weingarten] from FOTA, and the Sporting Working Group, in Korea this week, and we will have a formal meeting in India about the whole thing.

"We need to come up with some proposals. We have some ideas and we have to try and find a common ground to how we solve it."

"It is nonsense; you don't need to conserve your tyres. You have enough to do the whole race anyway. We are happy to go through with whatever we can to solve it."

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Pirelli to discuss Q3 tyre-saving issue with FOTA in Korea - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

Funny how the guy who knows bugger all about F1 thinks that he knows better then F1 teams and engineers with many years of experience.
What with the tires being crap after stints of only 9 laps in Japan?

They need to pull their fingers out of their behinds and make a real race tire, that's the solution, now that everyone sees that teams need to save tires in qualifying instead of going all out.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I thought Button did around 23 laps on his tyres in the last stint of the race?

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Longest last stint was Vettel's. And that was on the hardest compound after 70% of the race was done.
Rosberg's first stint on hard tires was 14 or 15 laps only 4 laps longer than the 10 laps that Button managed on the softer compound.

The reason why teams save tires for the race is that the 3 laps needed for 1 qualy lap to be done is about 30% of the life of a tire, the best 30% after which performance goes downhill rather fast.

Anyway the agitation in the Pirelli camp shows that the marketing backlash is being felt big time and they know that this can't continue. The only question is if they will be able to make quality racing rubber or will continue blaming the teams? I guess it will be the later.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Longest last stint was Vettel's. And that was on the hardest compound after 70% of the race was done.

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Vettel pitted at lap 33 to do 20 laps to the end.

Kobayashi pitted on lap 24 to do 29 laps on the hard tyres to the end of the race. 29 laps isn't bad for a tyre that had no life.