Sure. But you have to say that Kimi took the deal too! He could have taken 5mil less and gone on to race for someone else, but he chose to take the money and run.Quote:
Originally Posted by jas123f1
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Sure. But you have to say that Kimi took the deal too! He could have taken 5mil less and gone on to race for someone else, but he chose to take the money and run.Quote:
Originally Posted by jas123f1
That's right, Kimi didn't want to pay 5'000'000 $ for a drive and I understand him, especially when Red Bull made him an offer to drive WCRally in a god car. However, I would like to see him back in F1 and I think F1 need him - because he is an honest guy.. never speek b*** s*** and one of the fastest drivers .....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
It was tragicomic to be listening to Alonso and Felipe when team ask them to fabricate their overtaking stories. Same time when Felipe was apparently grieved, he was forced to lie.. sad sad ..
I think the only reason people in here went so nuts about this is that they were seeing Ferrari dead and buried and I can get this hard to swallow... like a slap in the face... especially for those who kept on preaching and foreseeing the doom of this team. Oh boy, wouldn't it be great if they won both titles. That would be sweet and a nice kick in the face of every f1 hooligan and we plenty of those here
Ferrari moved Massa out of the way in Brazil 2007 so Raikkonen could win the title. The only difference being that they could use the fuel stops to do it and Massa was OK with it. Common sense and nobody had a problem.
In 2010 they do something similar but without the aid of fuel stops they were much more obvious about it. Throw in a Massa who is decidedly not OK with it and we've got a **** storm.
Ferrari's intent in both cases was the same. The rules about team orders are the same. If Ferrari are to be DQ'd in 2010 because they broke the rule should they not also have been DQ'd in 2007? The rule hasn't changed. All that's changed is Ferrari's method of breaking it.
Another thing to consider is that if the WMSC throw Ferrari out they will be setting a precedent that is going to be very hard to break. If Ferrari are to be hung, drawn and quartered for using team orders then McLaren or Red Bull won't have the ability to do the same thing in the closing stages of what is going to be a very close championship.
How, hypothetically, are Red Bull going to move Webber out of the way to give Vettel those extra few points he needs to beat Hamilton in the final round? The FIA will have made it very clear that team orders will not be tolerated so any communication from the pitwall will be heavily scrutinised.
Of course Red Bull could tell Webber to move over before the race starts so no messy pit-to-car radio conversations need to take place. That's Ferrari's problem right there. They should have had a word with Massa before the race. Because it's only a team order if somebody finds out about it, right?
singe, fringe?Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
anyway no need for people to get in such a huff about the whole deal, cos that rhymes with... :dozey:
Don't make the team orders , which have and always will be a part of F1 , obvious .
That is a rule that is hard to police .
Dock the paycheques of Felipe , and his engineer , fifty grand each .
Or scrap the team orders rule entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Meal, teal, squeel, wheel, heel, heal, veal, neil, kneel, peel, feel......Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
What a splendid idea, and give it to Onslo, for his 'we are so sorry you were hard done by' fund.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
He can invest with the Abbey National for a rainy day, not that I ever was keen on the square brolly idea.........
Maybe, but fans of racing want to see, dare I be so bold as to say it - racing, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
So, team orders are fine if the guy behind is genuinely faster and within, lets say .6 of a second consistently.
Massa should have done a Ronnie, and circled around under Onslo's gearbox after the move, and then, a few laps from the end, dropped back only to post the fastest lap.
Actions speak louder that words. And Massa had the fact that Chopper was close by to justify doing that. If only.