that was in 2012.. Slowson refers to 2011 season i think.Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
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that was in 2012.. Slowson refers to 2011 season i think.Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
There is a recent (1-2 weeks old) interview with Quensel, that is probably what Slowson talks aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
if you know about that interview, why do you ask anything more? you didn't read it all? you didn't understand it all?
http://www.maxrally.com/2013/10/16/not- ... stien-loeb
if you refer to this one it doesn't say that the offer was greater than Citroens...
does it say anything about more money at ford ???Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
http://www.sport365.fr/auto-moto/rallye ... 7141.shtml
here is the original interview. now I see maxrally retold his words a bit different, I read it from another site in another lingo but let somebody french-speaking say exactly what it means:
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En regardant la dernière page, je me suis rendu compte que c’était un contrat plus que conséquent et je lui ai répondu que c’était malheureux mais que je ne pouvais pas suivre. A partir de là, je lui ai dit qu’il était dommage qu’il nous quitte alors qu’on avait tout commencé ensemble. Il m’a dit qu’il souhaitait rester, que ce n’était pas qu’une affaire d’argent mais à une condition : qu’il puisse avoir sa chance, être champion du monde et ne pas recevoir de consigne dès la première course. La direction m’a alors confié que c’était ok donc on a rapidement trouvé un accord financier. Ça prouve que c’est un bon gars qui ne roule pas que pour l’argent.
again no mention that the ford offered more money... quite probably the two offers were close and Ogier of course would like to stay with the team he was in and was a winner with...
My argument is that NOBODY has refused a bigger contract in favor of a better car.
It´s obvious that TN has to stay at Ford. Now when Citroen negotiations has stopped there´s no alternative for him next year.
To Hyundai is way too hazardous.
judging from the first few videos yes... but in the long run maybe not so hazardous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
No one knows how the long run will develope for Hyundai. But - maybe the only way of measure the car is to put a as good driver as possible on the market in the car. At the moment that should be TN. However my choice had been easy...
cant find where Ford offer was better from Citroen one.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Star trek universe stuff...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Do you speak french? I don't and I got a trnaslation that says: "I am sorry we cant respond to this offer" - which obviously means the salary Ford suggested is bigger than what Citroen can afford.
contracts have some more things than only salaries,and we dont know what else was inside(personal sponsors,how many years,testing time ,No1 etc)
yes, and what about the rest: Il m’a dit qu’il souhaitait rester, que ce n’était pas qu’une affaire d’argent" and "Ça prouve que c’est un bon gars qui ne roule pas que pour l’argent.
From the interview you can assume that the ford deal was better but again you do not know how much better, probably quite close to the citroen one since it mentioned they reached a financial agreement quite quickly afterwards. Plus it is Quesnel speaking here...not exactly the most objective guy around.
They reached a financial agreement because Ogier didn't want more money than what Citroen offered. He only wanted a promise he will be on equal terms, not servant like Sordo or sabotaged like Duval.
If Quesnel is not credible, who would be more objective for you? loeb?
we have to increase the dosage.Dont worry.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
http://s18.postimg.org/vssb76xrt/pill_bottle.jpg
My French girlfriend has read it and the idiomatic sense of the first sentence is definitely referring to more money. Quesnel was surprised by it (the amount) and 'couldn't match it' (most accurate translation). The Ogier haters won't like it but there it is, he was promised equal status so stayed at Citroen for less money. No wonder he drove into the wall at Great Orme, this year he'll be waving at the masonry as he wins WRGB ;)
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Originally Posted by NxOxT
deep silence has come over
well in the same interview you can see how objective Quesnel is when he is asked which of the sebs he means and he says for me there is only one...Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
i am not saying he is lying but for sure i highly doubt that the offer from Ford was much different... if there was a difference in the first place that is. In my understanding Ford offered ogier No1 status and citroen could not follow..
The bottom line remains... there is no evidence that the money from ford were that many (even from a logical point of view Citroen was the big daddy back then in budget terms) and Ogier refused them.
when somebody believes that Ford can make a better offer than Citroen the years when Latvala was driving with his pocket,and Mikko was earning some 500.000 per year,you have to be silent.No worth to continue the discuss.Mikko this year when Citroen has less budget from previous years is earning 3 millions.Figure out.....Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
guys, are you masohists?
this is what says the link from wrc.com that you digged:Quote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
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But if Ogier does make the jump to the blue oval, it won't be at the expense of current drivers Mikko Hirvonen or Jari-Matti Latvala. "I want to make it very clear that Mikko and Jari-Matti will still be the main drivers at the BP Ford Abu Dhabi team for 2011," added Wilson. "We're looking at other ways to incorporate him [Ogier] but we're not in a position to disclose those just yet."
yeah right,Mikko and Latvala main drivers(one for free,and the other with some 500k) and Ogier not No1 and with better salary from Citroen, at years with no problem about budget. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
is it clear for you now that Quesnel is not reliable?
i only see some trying to make Ogier a hero,while he dont need it. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
the salary depends on many things. In F1 the current 4-time consecutive champion gets twice less money than a guy whose last titles was in 2006 and the same money as another guy who has won only 2-3 races in his life (zero when he signed that contract)Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
yes but the F1 ladyboys you mention they are in different teams...
There are too many contradictions in the words of Quesnel... I mean Dim is right how can it be possible Wilson to offer more money than Citroen (that had a bigger budget) to a guy who would be his 3rd driver ??? it makes no sense...just like Mr Quesnel... he probably is bitter either because is is bald and ugly or a failure wherever he went...so he just inflates things.
if Malcolm was reading this will laugh to tears :laugh: :laugh: .Dont continue this,you are not going to make anyone to believe it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
money at f1, has nothing common with M-sport 3rd driver.
Dont try to make Ogier a hero.He really don t need it.
And take your pills.
after his exit from Citroen racing team manager position,and previous manager interviews, he is trying to make himself dont look so silly.While Fréquelin could manage drivers such McRae/Sainz,with dogfights from previous team(Ford) Quesnel f@#$ed Citroen and Ogier.No wonder why neither vw and Hyundai asked for his services with so many championships at his days.Instead at Hyundai they preffered Penasse who was under Quesnel.Quote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
okay one more comparison, vettel's salary is only 1 million (9%) bigger than his titleless teammate who has won only 9 races for about 15 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
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Perhaps Wilson had some sponsorship contracts or other agreements that didn't let him get rid of Latvala and Hirvonen. It is understandable to want to steal from Citroen one exceptional driver for whom it is reasonable to spend big money (for JML and MH it is not. he saves from their salaries because he can but doesn't mean he can't give more). remember Hirvo's contract was expiring at the end of 2011 - one more reason to try to keep Ogier close at any cost.
p.s. M-sport's contract was also expiring at the end of 2011 so giving huge salary to Ogier is investment for Malcolm to later negotiate for more money from Ford if he show them he finally has a proper driver
I find it very hard to believe what you say... I can accept the fact that contracts did not allow Hirvonen or Latvala to go but to pay a driver who would not be able to score points more than the 1-2 and especially more than the team with the highest budget where he would be no 2 ??? no way.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
as i said Quesnel probably inflated the whole situation to make Loeb look like the bad link and Ogier the white knight in a situation that cost him his Job.
Ogiers problem wasn t to move for 3rd driver,and as we saw he didn t want to wait even for one year at Citroen.We ve said it plenty times.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Even without Neuville: Al-Attiyah plans with M-Sport
Nasser Al-Attiyah leaves Spain on the eve of the rally the cat out of the bag. Conveyor of Thierry Neuville sees his protege in the future with Hyundai and now wants to promote a new talent.
Suddenly Nasser Al-Attiyah was a man in demand Hardly the message had spread in the press that the Arabs would confirm the change of Thierry Neuville more or less, the media pounced on him.
Qatari answered readily, despite the hustle and bustle. "Yes, I've heard that Thierry should have signed with Hyundai. It would be a shame, because this year we have celebrated great successes together with M-Sport and I hope he can get his first win in Spain here, "said Al-Attiyah.
Even if he can not keep at M-Sport's protege, Al-Attiyah wants to remain loyal to the team of Malcolm Wilson and re-invest in new talent.
"The car is competitive and the team is great," said Al-Attiyah. "I want to continue to work together in the coming year with Malcolm Wilson and we could once again offer a young driver a chance. Similar Neuville also Elfyn Evans Hayden Paddon or could in the future by starting with our support. "
The 41-year-old Arab has clear ideas: "The plan would be to downsize the team." With the help of the Qatar-sponsored million M-Sport toying with a three car team. Al-Attiyah even want to go only five to six rallies at the start and share your car with others pilots. On the side of the Juniors Al-Attiyah would like to see an experienced man. Besides Mads Ostberg also the return of Mikko Hirvonen is no longer ruled recently.
But must be confirmed first of the Neuville-exchange. The Belgian smiles and says: "Citroen is no longer an issue. But I signed both by M-Sport as a good offer from Hyundai and still nothing. I will decide after the rally Spain, but in October. "- Which means no later than seven days and this secret is out.
http://www.rallye-magazin.de//rallyes/w ... index.html
I think you're right about that, I can't say he is "moral" person judging from Peugeot & Le Mans.Quote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
http://www.wrc.com/news/wilson-eyes-ful ... ?fid=19283
Life after Neuville maybe?
There can also be a life beside Neuville.
Mikko is on 3million? No wonder PSA are bankrupt if they throw money around like that.
have in mind when the contract was signed.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS