[WRC] Monza Rally 2020

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5th December 2020, 16:22
Essaj

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Originally Posted by SubaruNorway

Tideman's 2:10 penalty must be wrong?

"SS11 2:10 Late (13 min) at TC" Let's see, sounds weird
5th December 2020, 16:22
PLuto

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Originally Posted by SubaruNorway

Tideman's 2:10 penalty must be wrong?

Tidemand has no penalty
5th December 2020, 16:26
Mirek

Kopecký: "To do only one WRC rally per year makes no sense."

That says it all and I'm afraid there may be no next time.
5th December 2020, 16:27
mknight

Allive WRC2 preference over WRC3 goes so far that when they now had 3 WRC3 crews on stage, all in top 10, they instead go to Formaux that is last in WRC2 and 27 or so mins behind.
5th December 2020, 16:29
the sniper

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Originally Posted by jonkka

Now that Robertson won snooker semi-final, I had time to revisit this and do some revisions. Firstly, it now includes both cancelled stage as well as stages with nominal times. That changed little but for accuracy it's important. In addition, final column is added to give proportion of cancelled stage lengths per total rally lengths. 2020 indeed seems to have highest ratio with 8,3%, after 1996 that had 7,1%. On average, 2,3% of stage kilometers are cancelled annually. Bear in mind that pre-1979 years do lack plenty of stage data.

Thanks. Interesting to note some of the anomalies. 1992 took a relatively big hit on the Tour de Course, with stages cancelled due to the football stadium tragedy, a non rally event. In 1996 16%/291km of the Safari was lost in just three stages, which would have left a dent on the season overall, though the rally was still 1493km, nearly the length of the entire 2020 season!
5th December 2020, 16:29
PLuto

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Kopecký: "To do only one WRC rally per year makes no sense."

That says it all and I'm afraid there may be no next time.

I think it is not only "one WRC rally per year". His biggest problem that until now he did only three races this year...
5th December 2020, 16:31
mknight

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Originally Posted by PLuto

I think it is not only "one WRC rally per year". His biggest problem that until now he did only three races this year...

Mikkelsen had 2 races until now and also just one WRC rally.
5th December 2020, 16:32
Mirek

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Originally Posted by PLuto

I think it is not only "one WRC rally per year". His biggest problem that until now he did only three races this year...

I meant that it says that he won't do any one-off starts in the WRC in the future and I doubt he is able to manage any meaningful program such as full WRC3.
5th December 2020, 16:33
PLuto

Quote:

Originally Posted by mknight

Allive WRC2 preference over WRC3 goes so far that when they now had 3 WRC3 crews on stage, all in top 10, they instead go to Formaux that is last in WRC2 and 27 or so mins behind.

They have made interviews with WRC3 drivers only because they were starting in front of Fourmaux...
5th December 2020, 16:34
SubaruNorway

Quote:

Originally Posted by mknight

Allive WRC2 preference over WRC3 goes so far that when they now had 3 WRC3 crews on stage, all in top 10, they instead go to Formaux that is last in WRC2 and 27 or so mins behind.

Might It have something to do with them having no camera...?
5th December 2020, 16:34
PLuto

Quote:

Originally Posted by mknight

Mikkelsen had 2 races until now and also just one WRC rally.

It is different to do three rallies during half a year and two events (plus some testing) during one month before the event...
5th December 2020, 16:35
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by mknight

Allive WRC2 preference over WRC3 goes so far that when they now had 3 WRC3 crews on stage, all in top 10, they instead go to Formaux that is last in WRC2 and 27 or so mins behind.

I guess they don't have data transmitters in WRC3 cars.
5th December 2020, 16:36
AnttiL

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Originally Posted by the sniper

That's the problem and you're probably right, suits them for events to get ever shorter, though nobody has to enjoy that fact. Requiring events to be at least 350km, preferably all around 400km, is hardly a massive leap and would provide for at least some contingency/legitimacy.

I'm not offending them by going as far as to insult the precious cloverleaf format... :D

I agree personally, but I also understand that everything is tight right now and there's not much spare for additional costs on the rally organizer side...
5th December 2020, 16:37
AnttiL

Quote:

Originally Posted by mknight

Allive WRC2 preference over WRC3 goes so far that when they now had 3 WRC3 crews on stage, all in top 10, they instead go to Formaux that is last in WRC2 and 27 or so mins behind.

I just tuned in to see Emil Lindholm being interviewed.

WRC3 cars don't have onboard cameras.

Also, WRC2 teams pay a high entry fee and get television coverage in return. If WRC3 would be shown equally on TV; it wouldn't make sense to pay the higher price.
5th December 2020, 16:39
AnttiL

Neuville doesn't restart tomorrow.
5th December 2020, 16:41
meh

Everyone who is crying for Evans.. I'm not happy for him probably losing his title either, but let's admit it - he made a mistake. If it could be mechanical failure, then I could understand this behavior better.
5th December 2020, 16:44
mknight

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Originally Posted by SubaruNorway

Might It have something to do with them having no camera...?

Ok, thanks for explanation.
5th December 2020, 16:44
AnttiL

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Originally Posted by mknight

I am not sure you can expect more transparency from FIA/organizers, they are not run like a public affairs office.

On the other hand I totally agree that "allive" has way too much "tv mentality" of a scripted show. When something happens they should just keep working (from studio, stage end, w/e). Sure they will often have little info, but the constant turning off is really irritating.

They have their "tv stages" now every 3-4 stages, but they could still run non-stop between tbh.

It's not exactly cheap to broadcast All Live with the aeroplane in the air etc. I totally understand that they switch off if nothing is happening.
5th December 2020, 16:45
mknight

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

Neuville doesn't restart tomorrow.

I have to say I don't get it still...

Adamo talking about "not risking anything". Risking what? Destroyed engine? Does that matter now?
5th December 2020, 16:47
mknight

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

It's not exactly cheap to broadcast All Live with the aeroplane in the air etc. I totally understand that they switch off if nothing is happening.

The reporters in service park are still there and can comment what is happening. Instead we have to go to twitter etc. ourselves and search for stuff. Before Mexico they used to have studio guests, but I guess that's cancelled due to COVID.

Sometimes last year they also used to have a fixed camera in service park, nothing like that now.

On this rally they could even have fixed camera looking at the track next to the service park.
5th December 2020, 16:47
meh

Tänak had puncture. That was the reason for slow splits
5th December 2020, 17:00
meh

After SS13 - 5 Finns in Top10.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results...2020/?s=303926
5th December 2020, 17:04
AnttiL

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Originally Posted by mknight

I have to say I don't get it still...

Adamo talking about "not risking anything". Risking what? Destroyed engine? Does that matter now?

Yeah, engine is expensive to replace and they could probably save it with a rebuild in the shop. They must be for real because they are risking a situation where Neuville's restart finish would bring necessary manufacturer points in case of Sordo/Tänak retires
5th December 2020, 17:04
rp

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Originally Posted by meh

After SS13 - 5 Finns in Top10.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results...2020/?s=303926

I can get only 4. Could be 5 if Suninen had not retired...
5th December 2020, 17:05
AnttiL

Quote:

Originally Posted by meh

After SS13 - 5 Finns in Top10.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results...2020/?s=303926

I counted only four :D
5th December 2020, 17:10
AnttiL

Quote:

Originally Posted by mknight

The reporters in service park are still there and can comment what is happening. Instead we have to go to twitter etc. ourselves and search for stuff. Before Mexico they used to have studio guests, but I guess that's cancelled due to COVID.

Sometimes last year they also used to have a fixed camera in service park, nothing like that now.

On this rally they could even have fixed camera looking at the track next to the service park.

I don't know about you guys but I usually shut off All Live anyway when the stage ends, I don't care that much for the studio analysises, because it rarely gives any information. For sure I wouldn't watch a fixed camera shooting an empty service park / circuit area :D
5th December 2020, 17:10
Mirek

But I counted five Rally2/R5 cars in top 10 :D
5th December 2020, 17:14
mknight

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

I don't know about you guys but I usually shut off All Live anyway when the stage ends, I don't care that much for the studio analysises, because it rarely gives any information. For sure I wouldn't watch a fixed camera shooting an empty service park / circuit area :D

When it's 15 mins to next stage or when I am doing something else in the room and have it on TV it would be nice.
5th December 2020, 17:19
logic

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Originally Posted by mknight

I have to say I don't get it still...

Adamo talking about "not risking anything". Risking what? Destroyed engine? Does that matter now?

yes it does.
5th December 2020, 17:32
Milujeme Rally

currently after SS13

1. �� Ogier (Toyota WRC) (97 + 25 ) = 122b. 1️⃣
2. �� Sordo (Hyundai WRC) (26 + 18) = 44b.
3. �� Tanak (Hyundai WRC) (83 + 15) = 98b. 3️⃣
4. �� Lappi (M-Sport Ford WRC) (38 + 12) = 50b.
5. �� Rovanpera (Toyota WRC) (70 + 10) = 80b.
6. �� Katsuta (Toyota WRC) (8 + 8) = 16b.
7. �� Evans (Toyota WRC) (111 + 6) = 117b. 2️⃣
8. �� Neuville (Hyundai WRC) (87 + 4) = 91b. 4️⃣
5th December 2020, 17:41
EstWRC

how did you get those points for Evans and Neuville?
5th December 2020, 17:45
Milujeme Rally

they don't go to points anymore?
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results...303926&ct=1017
5th December 2020, 17:47
AnttiL

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Originally Posted by Milujeme Rally

they don't go to points anymore?

Not like that. Manufacturer points only. For driver points you need to be in the top 10
5th December 2020, 17:50
Milujeme Rally

thanks for the explanation
5th December 2020, 18:03
Milujeme Rally

Video clip of a reverse angle view of ElfynEvans sliding-off off the road backwards on SS11

https://twitter.com/i/status/1335294162032324614
5th December 2020, 18:37
dimviii

Οgier watching times at ewrc.cz

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eofu3KzX...jpg&name=large
5th December 2020, 18:40
AnttiL

https://twitter.com/VeibyErik/status...99123717791749

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Erik Veiby
@VeibyErik
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Not same sportmanship from all crews today #doublecrashss10
@GreensmithGus

@MSportLtd

@OfficialWRC

@OfficialWRC

@DirtFishRally

This one's quite sour...
5th December 2020, 18:47
mknight

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

This one's quite sour...

Yeah, while true it's a bit uncalled for. Greensmith probably didn't have much time anyway and IT would be much more risky to stand somewhere in that fast section.

Anyway when Sordo was commenting about getting warned by S.Martin, I had to recall Catalunya 2017...
5th December 2020, 18:48
AnttiL

https://www.rally-maps.com/ACI-Rally-Monza-2020

The maps are finally online, if you're interested to take a look
5th December 2020, 18:48
EstWRC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x16mAupW1_8

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