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You are correct. Mads was specifically unhappy with M-Sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by racerx1979
https://www.rallit.fi/rallin-mm-sarj...ty-hyundaihin/
Referring to the latest edition of Motorsport News, Finnish rally media rallit.fi is reporting that Craig Breen has been in talks with Hyundai and the team has postponed their driver announcements due to "final minute negotiations" (would be nice to see the original quote though). Favoring Breen over Paddon (if that's the question) doesn't seem to make any sense, but then again, neither did Toyota signing Meeke.
Original link https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...future-quickly
And Tidemand? now or never...
From results (stage wins, points, points per rally, retirements, anything) I don't know why anybody at Hyundai would consider this - it'd make more sense if Breen was from some key targeted market for Hyundai or something but they're both from sparsely populated countries on the poorer side of developed. Maybe Paddon is wavering about some other offer and they want a backup?Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Definitely agree. Replacing Paddon with Breen just doesn't make any sense. Pure sign of panic - if the story has any credibility in the first place...
I thought Breen had virtually driven himself out of a job in the last few rallies. Way too many mistakes! I thought his only option may be bringing some budget to M-Sport!
Only if Erik Veiby/EVEN are willing/able to pay Malcolm. Seems like the right time for all involved. Like you say, now or never I imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
I did read a wild speculation that Mikkelsen might be leaving his Hyundai contract as he can't get on with the car etc, nothing to really support the idea (and still other reasons why he wouldn't leave), but if he went to M-Sport then Hyundai could have Paddon full time and be wanting another driver to share with Sordo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
I think the rumor is based on that Breen is interested in Hyundai, not the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Maybe Even Management should buy out the whole M-Sport and set Veiby and Tidemand for there 2019 and then add Mikkelsen for 2020 to have 3 driver lineup. In reality private Citroen team might be closer choice with Lappi and Veiby onboard already.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
Nope. "Once you pay for a WRC seat, it is expected that you keep bringing money. We are happy to pay for WRC-2, but WRC will not be as pay-drivers". From memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
and this is how they will kill Tidemands career....Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
After all this time, why are M-Sport still unwilling to pay a driver a salary?Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
Yeah, you really have to wonder why is that :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by RAS007
It's not lack of cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Someone once told me that running a business is not primaraly about giving away cash, but who knows, I might be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by RAS007
To earn money, you have to invest money. Or pay someone to do the job if you have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
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Most businesses find a way to pay the talent that keeps them relevant as a business. This was understood with Ogier, why does it seem so difficult for them to pay (much less to) other drivers?
And if you can't do everything yourself, you employ people to work for you. If you don't offer reasonable pay then the best people for the job will go where they are paid and appreciated more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
So paying a driver a salary is "giving away cash"? I'm pretty sure you don't think that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Maybe they are cheap like most big companies...
Ogier was an investment that was expected to give in return championships, and they got three of them in two years. And I'm sure Ogier also brought the Red Bull money into the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by kirungi okwogera
Meanwhile, investing in Tidemand wouldn't give anything in return. He would most likely have a similar season as Suninen, learning the car and the rallies, learning to drive flat out all the time like the other WRC drivers do.
I still hope he gets the chance next year. It's getting too late...
Why do you say three years? Actually i would say that they got 3 championships in 2 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
just got the numbers wrong with each other, thanks for correctingQuote:
Originally Posted by spiderem
In the case of Ogier, no it isn't, it has proved to be a sound investment. With the drivers that are available now the driver market has settled after Ogier's Citroen move, I'm not sure I would be rushing out to offer them big salaries. The one that could be an exception would be Rovanpera, if there is a chance to keep him more than 1 season (If the Toyota 2020 rumour is true).Quote:
Originally Posted by RAS007
I'd like everyone at WRC level to be paid handsomely. My main hope for WRC2 Pro is that it increases the money making opportunities and allows more people to make a profession out of this awe-inspiring sport. But if you're running the Bank of Malcolm Wilson, why are you paying good drivers who'd pay you for the same drive? This isn't F1 where performance really pays (and they still have pay drivers), where the difference between finishing 6th or 7th in the manufactures championship can cost a team millions of dollars in prize money, there isn't that incentive in the WRC. In the case of Tidemand, if EVEN aren't willing to pay for his learning year(s) in WRC, why would anyone else be?Quote:
Originally Posted by RAS007
We're very lucky now to have a relatively large group of very good B-Tier drivers, but that has turned what should be a buyers market into a sellers market, with even the likes of a manufacturer team like Citroen being able to ask Mads for money, which to my mind is awful and doesn't really do any favours for the rest of the B-Tier drivers.
First M-Sport is a private business and Ford arent giving them full backing, hence Ogier left. Not for more salary but for a better chance of car development.
Secondly M.Wilson paid Ogier out of his own pocket as the business couldnt afford him. This was a one-off for Ogier. No-else was worth the gamble. (And it paid off big time).
Ford needed to back them fully to afford to pay a top driver next year. The wont so Wilson has to protect the business and the peoples jobs.
They are back to being the go-to Team for drivers with backing, as they were when Ford pulled out.
Still Ogier is payed a way more than any other driver out there. And if Malcolm hire Suninen, Evans and maybe Breen they all three combined will not cost that much like Ogier himself. What motivation is that if they need to pay for a drive. Like you would pay for company that you could work there and not receive anything. Just silly. For me that's a cheap thinking, nothing else.
He had Red Bull, Ford Performance and maybe other help, still he said, that they are doing this with his personal savings so no, definitely he can`t afford paying a rookie big salary for learning (no constant good results, broken cars). Especially with a car capable of winning 3 titles.
its all about demand and supply. there are few works seats, and lots of people who want one. if ford doesn't want to pay to try and win a title, malcolm has no interest in it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
it's not like working at a company, it's like having a very expensive hobby.
I'm saying that he could at least pay them (I will make this numbers because don't know reality) Wilson could afford that, no excuse. 10.000-20.000 or more. Seb I believe have 2-3 millions and that is a huge amount per year. Still the drivers need to live. Travels isn't for free, accomodation too, food, clothes, family... If they are in the world level of racing they have not the time to work at the regular jobs.. So that's why I say it's silly. Still Wilson sell promising drivers and make more money that he invest into them.
At the MS-RT Supporters Club at the M-Sport Hospitality we were given a very detailed talk about the cars and also the logistics.
The costs of transport of the cars and all the trucks with fuel, recce cars, parts and staff is absolutely phenomenal.
Without full factory support it is impossible to run a WRC team and pay driver's.
Professional drivers get a salary even at M-Sport. The money just comes from sponsor companies or maybe manager investments.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Conversely, most M-Sport drivers, or their sponsors, must pay to drive, to cover the expenses of running a WRC car. In this case it would be silly if Malcolm would pay them for driving. It's like I would go to a restaurant, pay 50 euros more for my meal and then ask for 50 euros per hour salary for eating their food.
However, I don't know if M-Sport has a bonus system for earning manufacturer points or winning etc.
Secondly M.Wilson paid Ogier out of his own pocket as the business couldnt afford him. This was a one-off for Ogier. No-else was worth the gamble.
No way he will have taken money from his own pocket.
His business’ reserves will have paid Ogier.
Prove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Prove he actually paid from his own pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Why the he’ll would he do that, using cash he has paid tax on, when he can use the money in the business?
How daft are you?
I'm not that expert but as far as I know it's completely normal, for an associate, or a owner of a company to invest an amount of his own money to close the balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
He owns the company. The money belongs to the company.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
He will NOT have paid 50% tax on money paid to him then put it back in again.
The company had enough in reserve. Check companies house.
It sounds all nice and fluffy to say Wilson paid from his own pocket, but it just will not have happened that way.