If PSA somehow ends with 4 R5 cars in their hands, things will get interesting..Quote:
Originally Posted by tomhlord
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If PSA somehow ends with 4 R5 cars in their hands, things will get interesting..Quote:
Originally Posted by tomhlord
Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
When you guys are making theories why this or that about engines maybe I'm wrong, but I think everything makes more sense if one states the dimensions of things...presuming you know them..
I build and have built road car and rally motors..Numbers are everything to me..When speaking of Evo X it might help to know it's bore and stroke (86x86) and what it changed from in the old 4G63 (85x 89) because then, when you read Misterbitchi info it makes sense when they say why the changed it (when obviously it had worked well for almost 15-17 years)..They said "now 86mm bore to allow 1mm larger valves"..
So talking about these WRC 1,6 motors its interesting seeing everybody using 84mm bore versus production 78mm or whatever..More room for bigger valves.
In a 3 way conversation a couple of weeks ago between me and a young clubbie guy in Michigan and a fast Golf guy in Sweden who has an old VW Motorsport kit car we were all reminded that those kit car engines VW used they went UP to 84mm (and destroked to not go over 2000cc) from VWs 82,5mm
Both guys were puzzled---neither being engine guys..
As soon as I said "more room in a 84mm circle for bigger valve" both boys said AHA!!!..
So please, numbers...
With pleasure Jan. Take it easy, I am not sure that the sources I found were all right.
PSA R5 engine (based on 1.6 stock EP6CDT): stock 1598 ccm engine has 77x85,8 but since the cylinder spacing is 84 mm I think the bore can not be larger with competition 1620 ccm R5 engine
Škoda R5 engine (modified stock 1.8): 82,5x75,5
Ford R5 (engine 2016, modified stock 2.0): 85x71,3
Hyundai R5 engine: 83x73,8
From Homologation papers:
PSA engine: 77,016 x 85,9
Fiesta: 85,0 x 71,3
Thanks for confirmation. The PSA block is simply too small for wider pistons.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report...ndar-expansion
Just what you guys told us a few days ago from MN Rally.
If this info has been posted somewhere else, sorry for the double post. I read that Lukyanuk crashed heavily (into another rally car strangely) and was injured. He and two others are injured and the co-driver in one of the cars died.
Does anyone know details about it? How can two rally cars crash into each other during a test?
Edit, just found the other thread. Don't know how I missed it to he frank!
12-14 rallies, bring back NZ, San Remo and Safari, drop Mexico, Sardinia and Poland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
=1617,5 ccmQuote:
Originally Posted by br21
Sorry
Like this
PSA 77,016 * 85,9 = 1599,2
Fiesta 85,0 * 71,3 =1617,5
Yes, maximum allowed displacement is 1620 ccm but it wasn't like that at the beginning.
It may sound strange but the reason for such strange figure in the rules is in Renault Clio R3T. Their stock engine has 1618 ccm and they asked for exception before they launched R3T some years back. FIA instead changed general rules for all R3T and R5 cars. Sadly I don't remember in which year they changed it.
New Test for Loeb with 306Maxi + C4WRC in Alsace last week → http://bit.ly/2qbzMff
Citroën Total Abu Dhabi World Rally Team has changed its line-up for Rally Italia Sardegna (8-11 June), with the arrival of Andreas Mikkelsen/Anders Jaeger in the no.9 Citroën C3 WRC.
http://bit.ly/2rL8i1E
Well that was expected, really should have done it sooner, hopefully it won't be a one off as they are planning. Reminds me of when François Duval was replaced for 2 rallies by Carlos Sainz back in 2005.Quote:
Originally Posted by René
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Good!
Great news!
Leferbve tottaly out of rally, no change to R5? strange it's FFSA golden boy
With one day of testing I don't think he will be top 3 fast, don't think Citroen has very high hopes either.
Maybe it's more about getting feedback on how C3 compares with Polo and I20.
Want feedback on Crystal Ball 2017 WRC ...
He'll still be better than their frenchman, and he has a really good starting position, & all of that is before you consider he has done the rally last year, & his teammates haven't. If things go his way, we might see him for a little longer in that Citroën.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
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And even for that need more test days.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Citroen didn't test anywhere before Sardegna? strange
Didn't they test in Sardegna before Portugal?Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
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That's certainly put all the current Citroen drivers on notice. I'm sure we'll see more of him.
Well yeah, Andreas is one of the few who has tried three different WRC2017 cars (Ogier has also tried Polo, Yaris and Fiesta).Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I think they want to see where the car is at, is it not competitive or is the problem with the drivers, probably they want to secure at least one good position in Sardinia not to get too behind in the championship score table and get some more setup feedback for the permanent drivers. And it will be a good motivation for Meeke, to finish better than Mikkelsen.
I sure hope so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
They are, but no test before Poland in few weeks? Just straight to Sardegna after Portugal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
. It's long overdue he might even beat the factory boy's in that one off Rally Sardegna.Quote:
Originally Posted by René
Also, I think the objective for him and Breen will be to score points, and so Meeke will have less pressure to bring a good result, so hopefully he can get his act together this way as well and challenge for top places.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I believe Mikkelsen's target should be Breen.If Craig can continue his 5th place run, the Norwegian should be able to better him.
Good news, Mikkelsen deserve this place. In the same time Matton lost his face now reading back his communication before season start about Latvala and Mikkelsen.
So Citroen blinked first...
No surprise given they are last in the Manufacturers championship.
I still doubt Mikkelsen will be instantly fast with being out of 2017 cars and only really used to the Polo.
It's good that they have or PSA would have (if they continue like this) imho pulled the plug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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Finally Some justice in this world !!!
Is that you, Seb? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Yes, I'm home with Andrea and Tim right now reading rally Portugal thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
I'd like to also add that Tänak is the best and toughest teammate I have ever had.
Teemu / Rallirinki*@HartusvuoriWRC
According to @GronholmM, Jari Huttunen got permission from Opel Motorsport to enter @RallyFinland in Fabia R5, but he must use Opel overalls
GRX (Grönholms team) will have brand new Fabia R5 for him, serviced by Printsport (crew that is servicing O.C Veiby)Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Matton: "Why I didn't hired him before Monte Carlo.
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1) They took a chance with him because last year he was comparable to Breen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arnold Triyudho Wardono
2) He's French and Mikkelsen isn't.
3) Contracts were already set up.
4) They wanted to show loyalty to their drivers.
5) Hindsight is an unhelpful friend.
Breen was more consistent and even got a podium finish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson