I think Petter should stay with Citroen because it’s a better car and it looks like Petter is able to find sponsors for his driving.
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I think Petter should stay with Citroen because it’s a better car and it looks like Petter is able to find sponsors for his driving.
if you want to watch a contrived competition go watch WWF or somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by Langdale Forest
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Originally Posted by Fide
This can be real TODAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Petter!!!!
Agree with that! Come on son - you deserve this for sticking at it!!!!!!!!1Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
Fail :(
Oh B-ll-x Hope they are OK!!
I would like Petter to win a rally this year to be the first private team to win for a long time.
well i think today proved that peter doesn;t have the speed to win....but he could do it this year if others do mistakes because there are not many people who can be faster than him
Does'nt have the speed to win? Grow up... He caught up today... Bigtime.. and made a mistake... but It looks like some other guy made a mistake too......Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
come on...don;t be unfair....he showed he lacked the winning pace when Ogier and Loeb were pushing hard.
So Loeb didnt have winning pace the first day either?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
You can't compare things by ONE stage can you?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
1. He wasn't that fast during SS18 either, specially not compared to SS19 and he said he made some mistake in SS20.
2. Even so he was faster than Latvala on that stage.. as he has been the whole 3 sunday stages, you know, Latvala, the guy that won the rally.
If he decided to keep steady pace he'd end 3rd. But as he himself now said, he wanted a win not a 3rd place and crashed. Oh well, not like he was the only one crashing and making mistakes, luck decides the outcome.
i think you can because it was a stage were all three citroen were pushing like hell...during an event there are very small parts were drivers push to their absolute limits so its not indicational of true speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ridder
Ah well, no one can say the guy didnt try, fair play to himself and Phil.
pics??
I think again Petter has lost out due to road position after day 1. But I admire his need to be at the front. I realise the World Rally Troll says that he doesnt have the outright speed to win without others tripping up first, if I had a rally car costing me a half million euros I think Id be happy enough to drive around a minute per stage off Sebastian and be happy enough with that.
To drive at podium pace in the WRC involves taking massive risks all of the time, not just some of the time and means in most cases having absolutely no sympathy on the car,like some of the stages in Turkey etc. I,m sure the World Rally Troll with his vast competition experience understands all this.
Petter is driving his own cars, big big difference and he is still able to head the leaderboard on day 1. Respect :)
hey look.....
they are multiplying.....
so where i was wrong this time ??? Solberg crashed because he pushed to the max to win and still he couldn't match Ogier and Loeb who also pushed hard and had a far worse road position....
what have i done to deserve this ????
Petter was over 5 sec ahead of Latvala and 4 sec ahead of Ogier when he went off, without it he would have won the event.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
what ???Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
he retired before reaching 2nd split until then was 0.4 down....
plus without anyone doing mistakes i think none would have gained or lose his place....
All 'ifs' and 'buts' - if my Auntie had balls, she'd be my uncle......
Yes, according to Petter they were 5 secs ahead of Ogier just before crash. According to Petter poduim guys said that he would have won the rally without mistake. I guess we are not seeing all split times that teams can see.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
You are also wrong when you say that Petter's fast stages happened only when other Citroens were not pushing. You can check for instance afternoon run from friday, covering more than 60 kilometres when Petter was seven seconds (or something like this) off from Seb who was storming after his mistake. Loeb was the fastest Citroen overally. But in my view Petter was very near to Ogier in terms of absolute pace and clearly faster than Sordo.
By the way, it's unfortunate that we have to even discuss about who was genuinely fast because with old road-position system everyone could see the real pace differences for the whole rally.
Ogier is really refreshing case in rallying. He will be the one who pushes Loeb away from his place. I appriacate the way how Ogier started to fight when he had a chance for the win. In the last stage he started to loose ground but toward the end he pushed like crazy and was near to succeed in it. In the first ss of sunday he was also pushing like craze before his mistakes. If watch his in-car the cuts were amazing before he lost it (at that point he was ahead of Loeb in splits).
He is quoted in the Norwegian newspapers being 5.5 and 4 sec up on Ogier/Latvala, at 5.5km when he crashed. Well... Of course in some way that's impressive, but more I think it just shows that he was on an all-or-nothing mission. And personally I think that speed was borderline to "stupid". It would likely never last for 30 km. I fail to see how this is good risk management, to take such approach when the 2nd position in the championship was so tight on points. But however insane it sounds, the way I understand Petter's mind, I actually believe he saw a possibility of closing in on Loeb in the chamionship points. Of course, that's a completely unrealistic hope for any sane person. But I think for Petter it's actually not.. If he sees even a slight possibility for that he will give it all, pluss a little more. So NOW I guess he will lower his aim for the runner-up spot.
My understanding is that the dataloggers fitted by ISC to each car feed realtime information to the teams on progress along the stage, not just splits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finni2
The teams get a graphline that shows how each of the cars (including competitors) in the stage are performing.
Yes he was to fast, thats all! :s mokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
Very true, but I think it's not all bad. I suspect Petter doesn't really care about getting 2nd place in the championship, he just wants to win rallies. It sucks to crash on the last stage, but at least now he's 5th in the championship, which puts him in a much better position to win Portugal. Being 2nd really screwed him over in New Zealand since he was forced to run first on the road on day 2 and end up way behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by bretddog
Anyone who has competed knows that at times taking a chance is required to be fast at this level. I believe the factory drivers will always take more risks as they dont have to deal with the consequences in the same fashion. Im sure many have seen the incar video on youtube with Colin in Rally GB 2001 where he takes cuts of maybe one to two feet on nearly every single corner, the stage times were unbelievable but the end result we also know. Atkinson once said in an interview I recall that because he hadnt the same experience when he started in the WRC he had to push harder and take more chances to be the same speed then some one who grew up driving in WRC since say 17 or 18.
When you foot the bill yourself after an off its a different kettle of fish. I think it will be unbelievable is Petter is prepared to take the risk to try win another rally. Some one like Matthew Wilson takes much less risks and hence finishes lots of rallys which is good for him if thats what he wants to do but the results dont come.
So let's compare their speed by stage 9 of Jordan rally, Solberg ahead of Loeb and Ogier by 5 seconds when everyone is pushing, so that means he's way faster that both of them no?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
... oh wait he lost 30 seconds on the stage right after...
so much for the stupidity of comparing speed by single stage.
Petter's son is now ready .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYw6iEeBOVs
second place is OK if you are Mikko, - Colin, Tommi Makinen, Marcus, Petter, Ogier and Loeb, I feel can drive "above" the limit. When you are in that zone, it is one of two, results..........(and Marcus certainly had a few of those -anyone remember Japan?)Quote:
Originally Posted by serial jeff
Getting silver in an awards ceremony in Monaco in December would be an amazing result for a private team, (probably the only true private team when comapred with Kronos Citroen 2006, and David Sutton Rothmans Ford 1981) but Petter has had a few third places and a second already this year. I guess he would rather people remember him for a few wins as a privateer rather than finishing second to Seb and Citroen Racing in the 2010 world championship.
I for one am glad that we still have drivers with the balls to take the risks when they smell a victory.
"you always need to do it two times"Quote:
Originally Posted by jbmarcus21
What a great spirit! Oliver has a great future cleaning cars.
That's for sure! It's refreshing, although a pain to see Petter retire.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
Here is video of Petter's off.. A shame.. He seems not to be too reckless, just fast, until that final bend where his speed is a bit too much, so no chance.. Assuming Loeb was also pushing on max here it's at least promising to see Petter's C4 able to keep the same speed, and even a couple of seconds quicker. I wouldn't expect his engine to have the same power.. but maybe it's not much difference (?) Well, it's just 5km, so not much to judge by perhaps.
Oh, come on! Stop talking about 'Petter`s engine is less powerful' and 'Petter is privateer'. 2009-2010 Solberg`s situation is his own fault! If he doesn`t run from Ford to Subaru WRT now he could be at top position.Quote:
Originally Posted by bretddog
i think it was an unlucky off....it doesn;t seem to be any mistakes with the line or anything....just went to the ditch and gave in....if it was on a flat surface he would continue no problem...
The reaction of peter made me a bit sad at the end....he was pushing and the dissapointment in his voice was obvious...
The fact that he tried to the max at least shows he has a fighters spirit still and not a quitters attitude.
Oh pull your head out of your ass!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xsara Fan
What I say is that it looks like they have equal powerful engine. Something I wouldn't expect until I see proof, but this is at least indicative. But not easy to say without comparing the full onboards of both of course.
i think all of the norwegian fans are doing a mistake by blaming the car all the time...you are missing the big picture that way.
Petter's car has appr. 8 hp less then M1 cars, different gearbox, and some other small details.. Does'nt mean a lot.. 0.1 sec per km. maybe, but that turns in to a lot of seconds in a rally..
He has the closest thing to a top spec car you can get as a privateer.. And he did'nt get it easy..
So as he gets more and more confident in the car and it's limits, I'm sure he will be in the podium fight for the rest of the season.. Maybe a win or two also?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: , at least 5 sec/km, :laugh: :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by JFL
What you saw in NZ was two drivers both of whom have gained the status of being world champions competing to be number 1 for this event. Both had to run a day at the front of the field & sweep roads, Both made errors of judgement while driving at the absolute limit. One made more errors than the other but was able to get away with it suffering minor damage and some loss of time. The other for a similar type of error became a dnf.
Two young drivers became caught up in their battle and could have finished in front of them both then one made a couple of errors in the final stage and finished second to the one who made no errors and finished with an undamaged car.
Could Peter or Seb have taken sufficent time out of the cars in front of them on the final stage, who knows. They were both certainly trying to but I don't think that the youngsters in front of them were prepared to give up their advantages over them easily.
Lets just remember Petters drive on this event as the drive of a true World Champion who was doing his absolute best to win an event outright.