Is global warming/climate change a crock?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

If they knew how it worked then why would they be so frigging wrong a good deal of the time? I liken modern climate change study to the study of aerodynamics back before WW2. Yeah they knew a bit but in the big scheme of things they knew sod all. Like I said before. This is not like Ozone depletion where you can merely put some ozone in a jar with some CFC's and see what happens. It's not even like making a scale model of an aircraft and using luminescent dye on the surface of the aircraft to see if the airflow is as you'd expect it. It's a whole frigging planet and no matter how arrogant you want to be about how intelligent we as a race of pathetic unintelligent morons who think we know everything there's still a helluva lot of room for error, ignorance and stupidity.

I don't claim to know better than samples which show that CO2 levels were significantly higher during periods of ice age. Do you? Do these scientists?

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No, I don't, but I have never tried to do so. Neither have you. Others know better, and I'm more prepared to rely on their work than your opinions, which — I'm sorry — seem to be based on the view that you somehow know better than people who have researched this for years. You don't.

Yes master/all important knowing stuff dude. Lets go into a building and just blindly listen to words which people are saying which directly contradict facts which have widely been published. Some will blame god/allah/god-type-dude for anything bad that happens, scientists merely blame carbon dioxide. Take your pick of which religion you want. Priests study for years and years to become priests but at the end of the day does God actually exist? Who knows. You call it science I call it religion. I'd rather go to church every Sunday than listen to uproven twaddle that's being peddled as fact. At least I know for a fact that I shouldn't steal and so on. As for man made global warming. Who knows? Could be right but we don't actually know.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Yes master/all important knowing stuff dude. Lets go into a building and just blindly listen to words which people are saying which directly contradict facts which have widely been published. Some will blame god/allah/god-type-dude for anything bad that happens, scientists merely blame carbon dioxide. Take your pick of which religion you want. Priests study for years and years to become priests but at the end of the day does God actually exist? Who knows. You call it science I call it religion. I'd rather go to church every Sunday than listen to uproven twaddle that's being peddled as fact. At least I know for a fact that I shouldn't steal and so on. As for man made global warming. Who knows? Could be right but we don't actually know.

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I don't know anything about the science of any of this. That's why I haven't been coming up with half-baked notions in relation to it. I choose to believe those who have done rather more research. Of course it may be flawed, but I feel that there is enough of a consensus to enable this layman to go along with it. Neither do I subscribe to the conspiracy theories that some come up with, and certainly not this stupid 'religion' idea that flies in the face of a lot of perfectly good scientific research.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

OMFG the ozone hole is bigger than ever!!!!! Wait a moment!!!!! :rolleyes: No it's not Something frigging random happened and it's smaller. I thought we understood the atmosphere and how it worked well enough to predict what was going to happen in the next 50 years? Seems we don't understand it as well as we thought we did. It seems things can change in a surprisingly short period of time.

I don't doubt the science behind ozone depletion because you can put Ozone in a jar and see the efects that CFC's have on it. How the hell do you replicate an atmosphere and test the effects of a particular gas???????

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/04/ozone_hole/

I know the hole in the Ozone layer isn't linked directly to the greenhouse effect but this is just an indication of how n00bish scientists can be at times and how we don't actually know how the atmosphere works. Anything you've seen on a graph showing how we're going to have rainforests in the UK soon is just a guestimate at best in my uneducated and not-trying-to-get-funding-by-merely-publishing-alarmist-and-unproven-theories-so-I-can-have-a-job opinion. I was accused of being biased by BDunnell :) How can someone be impartial when they're job depends on being alarmist?

Perhaps it's man made global warming that caused the hole in the ozone layer to get smaller? :laugh:

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Actually the scientists are not wrong about the ozone layer. Their research has led to a better idea of how the Chlorine and Bromine effect the ozone layer. This research is yet to be confirmed and could be wrong. It could be right and will lead to a better understanding.

The reduction in use of CFC's led to a reduction in ozone depletion. AGW will actually increase ozone depletion due to stratospheric cooling.