Ferrari/McLaren Espionage Story [merged]

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Originally Posted by Dylan H

Almost everyone at Tyrrell was sacked IIRC when BAR was established, I think only the truckdriver was kept over. All Pollock wanted to keep over from the old team was the FIA entry.

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OK, then it must have beenthe truck driver. I heard rumours that the truck driver was seen wearing blue suede shoes.

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Originally Posted by Dylan H

And why copy it now? After all if the stuff about wanting jobs at Honda are to be believed they were rebuffed in early June. Were they thinking of approaching another team?

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Ron told him he's free to go to Honda if he doesn't take the document with him! :D

According to ital media, another McLaren employeer is involved in this, I know the name but I cannot post it...sorry :p :

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Originally Posted by pino

According to ital media, another McLaren employeer is involved in this, I know the name but I cannot post it...sorry :p :

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Is it an employee or an employer? :D

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Originally Posted by ioan

Is it an employee or an employer? :D

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He's a guy who works for McLaren :p :

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Originally Posted by pino

He's a guy who works for McLaren :p :

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Are you related with Jean Todt or what? You surely talk like him! :p :
At least we know it's a man.

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Originally Posted by Ian McC

Actually that was the point I was trying to make, if you have something this sensitive you don't send someones wife down to the local store to photocopy it!!!

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I'm with you on this. I'd be amazed if Ferrari routinely distributed paper documents relating to the design of their car - so much design is done on computer. So if design documents were to be stolen it would be much easier to take them away on CD/DVD or some kind of flash memory device. If the person inolved had more than a passing knowledge of IT he/she would also take the precaution of encrypting the data they copied just in case someone were to find it in his/her possession.

Then again, if you were really given physical copies of secret documents the obvious thing to do would be to buy yourself a scanner/copier for a few quid at your local PC store (assuming you don't already have one) scan them in yourself and destroy the paper ones. Taking them to be photocopied at a local store makes no sense at all.

However, if you wanted to discredit someone by accusing them of theft of design data it is much better to have something tangible to wave at the press conference like a set of printed documents.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Are you related with Jean Todt or what? You surely talk like him! :p :
At least we know it's a man.

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hey, I thought you weren't allowed to insult people here. ;)

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Originally Posted by icsunonove

Then again, if you were really given physical copies of secret documents the obvious thing to do would be to buy yourself a scanner/copier for a few quid at your local PC store (assuming you don't already have one) scan them in yourself and destroy the paper ones. Taking them to be photocopied at a local store makes no sense at all.

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Do you know how much time it takes to do that yourself? I doubt he had all that time give he was a chief designer for an F1 team and was probably working day and night. He surely made a stupid mistake, but that happens to everyone in a lifetime.

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Originally Posted by pino

He's a guy who works for McLaren :p :

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obviously Neale is mentioned but I dont know of anyone else with the spectre over their shoulder.

if and it's a huge IF anyone else was privvy to this document, it would be Tim or Fry in my opinion or possibly even Paddy.

what we do know is that the FIA have now formally issued a charge for McLaren to answer. not Mike but specifically McLaren.

this is very worrying and just when it looked like McLaren were squeaky clean, this pops up. of course, it could be just to prove they are whiter than a tampax after a boil wash but it sounds very specific.