Good Lord, that is a depressing indication of a degenerating society :sQuote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
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Good Lord, that is a depressing indication of a degenerating society :sQuote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
To each, his own . . .
Less lethal but no less alarming, China deals with school attacks - The Maddow Blog
Pretty much sums up the whole gun control debate
Do guns kill people? Pistol, shotgun, assault rifle put to the test - YouTube
It was only one buck , as far as I know .Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
And , I doubt I would have been fined , as , in this case , it would easily have been seen as self-defense .
Those antlers were sharp . I have witnesses .
And , I live in a village , not a city .
There are a fair few guns around here .
Vests are orange and necks are red .
Almost all are long guns , and many involve pretty hefty stopping power , if you needed defense , but are meant for deer , duck , bear , moose , goose , or other furry and feathery foes .
Incidentally , there are seemingly two schools of thought for the rifle hunter , much like there are for the fisher .
Like the angler , who is more revered by some , for pulling the fifty-two inch muskie in with four pound test than on a hundred , the hunter who bags the bear with a twenty-two is a god .
They work for self-defense , but are a little harder to conceal than the average handgun , so are perhaps not the best choice for someone who desires some close range retribution .
People hunt people with handguns .
People hunt animals with rifles , and can protect themselves from people as well .
So , consider this :
Could there be a simple exchange for people to give up the handgun in return for a rifle ?
We get nowhere repeating rhetoric at each other .
Could there be a way in that to find a solution ?
I was in Switzerland many years ago and was told that a long gun is a requirement in each household .
I am not sure that is true , but I was told it was a condition derived from desire for national defense , and that , as a result , almost the entire population could be mobilized almost instantly as a civilian militia .
Wondered if you'd pick up on the pun. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Definitely would work for some. I'd find it a tad difficult to fit the long gun in my nightstand though.Quote:
So , consider this :
Could there be a simple exchange for people to give up the handgun in return for a rifle ?
Oh I agree with that. Many of the posters here keep spewing the same tired arguments over and over, ignoring the real world around them. Most are Europeans, who don't seem to have a good feel for the size of this country (Canada too). There are many people here who do not live in cities & towns. A call to the police, or the fire department for that matter, can result in a wait of a half hour in some places. The folks along the Mexican border, in cities and countryside, have the added pleasure of drug cartels running their lucrative trade through their backyards.Quote:
We get nowhere repeating rhetoric at each other .
Could there be a way in that to find a solution ?
Find a solution? I'm not convinced there is a short or medium term solution. It would be nice if people stopped shooting other people without a really, really good reason. It would be even better if we could have better recognition and treatment for the people with mental issues. We should also note that all of the mass shootings had mental issues involved. I don't have much of an issue with loopholes like gun shows (no background checks) being closed, that's very reasonable. But the call for banning private possession of firearms, I draw the line there.
Hypothetically, assuming the will were there and it was feasible, people fortified schools or provided armed guards at schools, what would happen? The next fanatic attacks a shopping mall instead. Then they fortify or guard shopping malls as well, what would happen? The next fanatic attacks a condominium. They fortify condominiums (more than they are at present). The next fanatic looks for the next soft target and attacks a spots complex. etc etc
Conversely, assuming the will were there and it was feasible, they banned civilans owning guns then what would the fanatic do? Probably use a knife, an axe or a machete. Would he be able to kill so many people so readily?
But, the will must be there and some posters here are demonstrating that in some cases it is not. And it must be feasible and given the numbers of guns in circulation a ban is not feasible.
So, assuming the will is there to do something, what can be done? It would have to be in stages, say:
(1) The government could make licencing of all guns mandatory
(2) After a couple of years introduce swingeing penalties for possession of an unlicenced gun and couple it with a 'hand in guns'
(3) Introduce 'surrender your arms' or, if the budget could support it 'buy back guns'
(4) combine this with education on what freedoms and fundamental rights really mean
etc
The difference is many cities in this country is many criminals aren't content with "merely" robbing you. We live in our country, you live in yours. What works in yours will not work in ours. Criminals don't just turn in their guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I know there are many among us that are cynics when it comes to what this country (USA) can really do to get out of this crazy rut.
The sentiment out here is very strong with people demanding change.
Our politicians are being asked to make a stand so it will be very interesting to see what will actually transpire.
This goes from the president, to the senators, to the governors, to the mayors and to all the citizens of this country that actually want their chosen representatives to represent their voices.
This could really be a turning point and it is an understatement to say that this is great opportunity for this great country right now.
Many people are sad, many people are pissed off -
. . . . to be continued.
“You can have my guns when you take them from my cold, dead hands.” quote Heston a true American
ahhhhhh . . . who could forget the old Moses when he took his NRA stand. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
But I do hope that as part of this change that we have the chance to seriously tackle,
that mental illness issues are given top priority.