2012 Presidential Race

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Do you extend the same 'respect' to, say, the views of al Qaida? Where does this 'respect' for views with which you disagree end? I have no respect at all for homophobes, anti-abortionists, or so forth. Why should I, when I consider their views not only to be wrong but also damaging?

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Sorry to be so tardy in my reply. Just returned from vacation.

I respect their right to have their opinions. It's when they take actions to harm others or restrict other people's rights that my tolerance ends.

Steady on folks!

Some posters are stepping very close to the line.

For example, it is OK to say "That statement you have just made is crazy", but it is not acceptable to say: "You are crazy to make that statement." The latter is considered 'personal abuse' and is not acceptable..

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Originally Posted by Rollo

It's neither a conservative position or a radical position, it's a matter of legal fact. Some corporations are people.

Companies in particular have legal personhood which means that they have the legal right to hold property, to sue and be sued, they may conduct business and appoint agents; in fact every single legal power that a natural person has except to be able to get married, a company also has. In some cases such as setting up a pension fund or a trust where property is to be held in the hands of a separate person, the veil of personhood is prudent legal planning because it means that a natural person may be sued but the assets of the pension fund or trust remain intact.

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Um, no. Companies don't have a right to vote.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Um, no. Companies don't have a right to vote.

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No, companies can't vote, but thanks to the Supreme Court a company is now able to raise funds without any oversight in order to sway votes. Think about it for 1 minute. A foreign company can give money to a Super PAC without any dollar limit! That's bad.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

No, companies can't vote, but thanks to the Supreme Court a company is now able to raise funds without any oversight in order to sway votes. Think about it for 1 minute. A foreign company can give money to a Super PAC without any dollar limit! That's bad.

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That is true. I think the Court made a serious mistake on that one.

Some great quotes on how capitalism is the best economic system.....

America's abundance was created not by public sacrifices to the common good, but by the productive genius of free men who pursued their own personal interests and the making of their own private fortunes. They did not starve the people to pay for America's industrialization. They gave the people better jobs, higher wages, and cheaper goods with every new machine they invented, with every scientific discovery or technological advance -- and thus the whole country was moving forward and profiting, not suffering, every step of the way.



The core dynamic of the capitalist system is the accumulation process, a process in which a portion of the profits reaped through the sale of goods and services is reinvested, swelling the capital stock, incorporating new technologies in the process, and permitting larger sales and profits in the future.

And by Winston Churchill..

Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy.


The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

Ronald Reagan..
It is old-fashioned, even reactionary to remind people that free enterprise has done more to reduce poverty than all the government programs dreamed up by Democrats.

In this era of big government, we sometimes forget that many of our proudest achievements as a nation came not through government, but through private citizens, individuals whose genius and generosity flourished in this climate of freedom.

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Originally Posted by Mark

It's a very important point. As I understanding with my limited knowledge of American politics is that if the situation were the same in the UK, we'd have a Labour Prime Minister, yet a Tory majority in the Commons?

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With my limited understanding of British politics, I believe you are correct.

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Originally Posted by D-Type

Steady on folks!

Some posters are stepping very close to the line.

For example, it is OK to say "That statement you have just made is crazy", but it is not acceptable to say: "You are crazy to make that statement." The latter is considered 'personal abuse' and is not acceptable..

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That statement you have just made is crazy. :crazy:

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Some great quotes on how capitalism is the best economic system.....

America's abundance was created not by public sacrifices to the common good, but by the productive genius of free men who pursued their own personal interests and the making of their own private fortunes. They did not starve the people to pay for America's industrialization. They gave the people better jobs, higher wages, and cheaper goods with every new machine they invented, with every scientific discovery or technological advance -- and thus the whole country was moving forward and profiting, not suffering, every step of the way.



The core dynamic of the capitalist system is the accumulation process, a process in which a portion of the profits reaped through the sale of goods and services is reinvested, swelling the capital stock, incorporating new technologies in the process, and permitting larger sales and profits in the future.

And by Winston Churchill..

Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy.


The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

Ronald Reagan..
It is old-fashioned, even reactionary to remind people that free enterprise has done more to reduce poverty than all the government programs dreamed up by Democrats.

In this era of big government, we sometimes forget that many of our proudest achievements as a nation came not through government, but through private citizens, individuals whose genius and generosity flourished in this climate of freedom.

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Nobody asked you for great quotes about why somebody else thinks capitalism is so peachy.

In light of the direct clear question asking YOU why if it is so "great" does capitalism constantly, every few years FAIL and get depressed and have "Panics" then "That statement you have just made is crazy",

In addition it is flat demonstrably FALSE.

The only was broader prosperity was gained was by forcing via LAW or direct action, for better wages, better conditions, better education....


Now, this is a presidential election thread, all this re-hashing the crazy statements somebody made are distractions---which is more evidence that somebody is a troll--or a deep cover satirist....

The only possible connection is how accumulated capital passed down generation to generation, from a generation that actually made things-- cars, parts, steel, to a generation that makes their millions making deals, can distort the political process.

If people like socialism so much, move to Europe....lol