Hamilton: Maybe it's because I'm black

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Originally Posted by Mark

Can we all cool down please, I don't want to have to close this thread.

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I don't like having to repeat myself :hmh:

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Fair point.

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True enough, but Schumacher didn't NEED to let Hamilton through, Hamilton never would have made the apex if Schumacher had chosen the racing line. Schumacher got criticised for what happened with petrov in Turkey so he chose to let the position go and keep on going. Imagine if Schumacher had done the same as Maldonado, imagine the stink over that.......

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The Shoe had the intelligence to work out for himself that if he turned in on Lewis and made contact - he (the Shoe) would likelt end up in the barrier. Maldonado appears to be doing his learning the hard way, and is borne out by the Williams team not jumping up and down.

At some point, it will be accepted that Monaco is a narrow track, and without an intelligent opponent, overtakes will be risky. But if you are there to race, why not get on and race?

The stewards are clearly hell bent on becoming the new H&S nimbys and are on a mission to stifle what little overtaking there is at Monaco........

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Originally Posted by Mark

Can we all cool down please, I don't want to have to close this thread.

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Yeah please don't, in amongst the bickering there's some good debate :)

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Originally Posted by Daniel

What view?

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Oh look another superb post from Daniel :D

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

The stewards are clearly hell bent on becoming the new H&S nimbys and are on a mission to stifle what little overtaking there is at Monaco........

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If we're talking H&S then I think we have to ask the question has F1 outgrown Monaco? Someone asked it on the Beeb and I did wonder. It's obviously great to see racing around the track, and the drivers love it, but we had some pretty nasty accidents this weekend (admittedly a higher ride height would probably have stopped 2 of them). Already it's been announced that the run off at the chicane will be moved back, but will another 50 yards have made much difference to Perez's accident?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

The Shoe had the intelligence to work out for himself that if he turned in on Lewis and made contact - he (the Shoe) would likelt end up in the barrier. Maldonado appears to be doing his learning the hard way, and is borne out by the Williams team not jumping up and down.

At some point, it will be accepted that Monaco is a narrow track, and without an intelligent opponent, overtakes will be risky. But if you are there to race, why not get on and race?

The stewards are clearly hell bent on becoming the new H&S nimbys and are on a mission to stifle what little overtaking there is at Monaco........

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Tbh Maldonado would do well to do that the next time Hamilton tries it. The drivers will know he's not a pushover..... Maldonado did nothing wrong other than take his line...... If there was a wall there then Hamilton never would have tried it.

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Originally Posted by barryfullalove

If we're talking H&S then I think we have to ask the question has F1 outgrown Monaco? Someone asked it on the Beeb and I did wonder. It's obviously great to see racing around the track, and the drivers love it, but we had some pretty nasty accidents this weekend (admittedly a higher ride height would probably have stopped 2 of them). Already it's been announced that the run off at the chicane will be moved back, but will another 50 yards have made much difference to Perez's accident?

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Have a look at Joe Sawards' blog, there is an entry about a possible (locals don't like the idea though) of extending out to the sea and extending the track thus by-passing the tunnel.

I think the on/off nature of some of the less sophisticated EBD designs may well have contributed to the instability of cars braking on the limit over the bump on the exit of the tunnel.

I hope that Monaco remains on the calendar. Stewards attemps at stifling the racing aside, we have seen this year that you can make passes here, and it is such a unique event that warrants its inclusion for years to come.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Have a look at Joe Sawards' blog, there is an entry about a possible (locals don't like the idea though) of extending out to the sea and extending the track thus by-passing the tunnel.

I think the on/off nature of some of the less sophisticated EBD designs may well have contributed to the instability of cars braking on the limit over the bump on the exit of the tunnel.

I hope that Monaco remains on the calendar. Stewards attemps at stifling the racing aside, we have seen this year that you can make passes here, and it is such a unique event that warrants its inclusion for years to come.

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A lot of passes were made and most of them without contact or at least significant contact :)

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Have a look at Joe Sawards' blog, there is an entry about a possible (locals don't like the idea though) of extending out to the sea and extending the track thus by-passing the tunnel.[/font][/size]

I think the on/off nature of some of the less sophisticated EBD designs may well have contributed to the instability of cars braking on the limit over the bump on the exit of the tunnel.

[size=100][font=Times New Roman]I hope that Monaco remains on the calendar. Stewards attemps at stifling the racing aside, we have seen this year that you can make passes here, and it is such a unique event that warrants its inclusion for years to come.

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I would hate to see the tunnel by-passed. It is one of the most memorable scenes on the F1 calendar to see cars flat out through the tunnel. I remember watching it as a kid and thinking WOW. It always stuck out in memory and would be shame to leave it go.
It is a pity about the stewarding. What the FIA need is a clear rule book, like in soccer. There will always be room for interpretation and while I felt the stewards made great strides last year with the inclusion of an experienced driver on the stewards room, they have taken 10 steps backwards in 2011 so far.

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Originally Posted by barryfullalove

But that could be said of the majority of passes, not least the JB/LH battle in Turkey. The whole thing with passing is that you need to trust that the other person is going to spot you and allow space. As you rightly mention the Schumi/Petrov thing in Turkey is an example of where this hasn't happened, likewise I feel the same about Hamilton/Maldonado this weekend. If drivers are always going to aim for the racing line and not give space to a car up the inside then we're going to be back to a rather tedious sport.

Incidentally, would people still be as annoyed by the Maldonado move if Hamilton hadn't already been involved in so much chaos? I suspect that many would have been happier to label it a 'racing incident', I certainly suspect that the stewards would've.

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I agree mostly. When you conver yourself in as much "glory" as Hamilton did this weekend then you're going to attract attention for all of your moves, it's as simple as that.