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He did. Nothing confirmed but there are discussions.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomhlord
He said he would run his top drivers on all events for the WDC & others (Loeb) to help with the Manus.
Seems the money was the issue and Red Bull should sort that...
So, if he did say the fourth car, who is in car 3? Breen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
they were talking about 3rd car not 4th
Cheers... glad someone is paying attention. Got my hopes up for Breen for a minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Yeah it would be sad if Breen is left without a works seat next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Meh, if Breen have a offer at M-Sport I would take it immediately. He is not apreciated at Citroen and Ostberg also. The car is shitty and the team sucks.
You continue to rely on statistics to support your logic. But statistics don't tell the full story. Paddon's goals for this season would have been determined by management prior to his sitting in the car for the first time in 2018. They would have had nothing whatsoever to do with winning stages or winning events. This last weekend has been the first opportunity he's had to go for the doctor and even then it was a measured drive to keep the car in the points and give the team the best chance at the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
The less said about 2017 the better. The shenanigans that were going on in that team are well known in certain circles.
If you want to get an unimpeded impression of Paddon's actual speed you need to go back to 2015 & 2016 during which time he more than had the measure of both Mikkelsen and Sordo and on a par with Neuville.
Nandan knows that an on form Paddon is the key to them winning any title next year. He also knows that they owe him big time. The only question is whether he has the balls to make the right call.
Is Paddon hope to join M-Sport next year for a full season? But looking at his mojo in Australia it seems not going according to plan.
Did he have an offer for partly season from Hyundai? It's seems now a best option for him.
And it's fully open a door for Craig as a leading driver for M-Sport.
Lots of drivers can be among the very best if everything goes right. Mikkelsen, meeke, paddon, ostberg, sordo, latavala...Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
But what differentiates the real very bests as ogier or tanak from them, is that ogier is still among the best when things don't go right. Them can start without front bumper of with the wrong tyres and still be at the front. They can drive in dust an dirt, open the road and still win the rally.
Paddon is good, but i can't say he's among the very best.
No one would disagree that his ability to prevail in difficult situations is exactly what makes Ogier standout as the very best and has done for some years. He is alone in that respect. The rest you could throw a blanket over as all are of similar ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
But it has also to be understood that the prospect of a competitor succeeding when all is not going right is reliant on the degree of support that they get from their team. If the team is not supportive, or is actually responsible for the difficulties faced, the chance of success is minimal. Statistics don't relate that side of the story.
Who among those you've mentioned will be the next Ogier, able to keep focused and a cool head to come through in times of adversity? I suggest the answer might be in last weekends results.
80%? Did Nandan say that? That's a not fortunate percentage there at Hyundai, I would be worried if I were Paddon...
He DID mention the possibility of a 4th car.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Three is definite as they compete for the Manu's in 2019.
Budar English speaking skills are far from impressive; maybe he got a bit lost in the All Live talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Anyway, he couldn’t be clearer than he was to L’Equipe (yesterday edition): “Our main goal next year is to get the drivers title with Ogier”. In the same piece it’s suggested the 3rd car budget isn’t granted and neither is the possibility of Loeb doing some rallys. Full article on the end of this page: http://forum-rallye.com/index.php?/t...monde/page-795
That's good, becuase it wasn't just AllLive when he said 'fourth'. He clearly says it on a recent Autosport podcast too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
I hope all the teams can run a fourth car... the more the better!
At the current situation, I hope all teams can run three cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by racerx1979
I think MSport will have 3 cars along with Citroen.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I think MSport will be in the same boat as Citroen with two full time drivers and a shared 3rd car with Greensmith, Block, Surderidis and whoever else Malcom can convince to spend a few hundred thousand to drive a WRC spec machine.
I think there's still a lot of moving parts like Abu Dhabi and WRC2 Pro. Will the manufacturers put effort into competiting in WRC2 Pro and have maybe ex-WRC drivers having a season split between WRC and WRC2 Pro? M-Sport could have maybe Evans, Camilli and Greensmith alternating between WRC car and the two WRC2 cars. Same could happen at Citroen for Breen and Østberg with Loeb also having some events. And of course Al-Qassimi will have an extra car wherever he goes, but whether it's a third or fourth car, we can only guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by racerx1979
From how I remember it, he was discussing Loeb and was asked about other driver's and mentioned Breen and then Al-Qassimi.
So that's possibly 5 driver's in total with Ogier and Lappi hence a 4th car would be needed at times.
He also said the Manu's title was a target for 2019. They arent just going for the WDC with Ogier.
This year 5 drivers have driven Citroen (Breen, Meeke, Al-Qassimi, Loeb and Østberg) with 2-3 cars per rally. Same last year, except they had four cars in PortugalQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
So you are certain that they run three cars on all rounds and additional one on others?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
present from Toyota to Lappi
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From what Budar said, at the moment, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
And they really cant be investing in Ogier and Lappi just to go for the WDC. Citroen needs a return and that means the Manu's title.
Budar said some time ago that it is all for the WDC and not the manuf. title. Lappi is supposed to be his good wingman and take away points from others and probably for not a big salary. Quite logical, but with the necessary funding ofc. manuf. title is appealing.
Have a watch/listen for yourself on WRC+... his interview is at the start of SS11.
In summary he says:
He's happy to have signed two drivers and to have the #1 on the door
Loeb doesnt want to do the full season - so who can do the other events ?
If they have a 4th car they would need to think how to use it. Is there any point if going for the Manu's title?
If he gets another good (3rd) driver, really he should do all the rallies.
There is still a lot to decide.
https://i.imgur.com/gvQOOIo.jpg
To me it´s clear Ostberg will be in 3rd car whole season. Taking manu title clearly needs his consistency. 4th car will be for Loeb when he appear on the wrc-scene.
Breen burnt all his chances and probably could end up at MSport.
Agreed. And even if it's the third car that is split between Loeb and someone else, they still should go with Östberg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
If Loeb is driving he is certainly nominated to score points and will be the 3rd car. 4th car only then, when Khalid is driving...Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Mads brings money & sponsors too.
And I dont think he will go back to M-Sport after he said they didnt help him with parts/updates for his 2017 Fiesta.
Nothing he said could result in a fight between him and M-Sport. He said that it was pointless to run a private car against factory cars because he doesn`t have the testing possibilities, unlimited access to parts (some even M-Sport had at the last minute like tarmac setup) etc. Going to a rally with ones duffelbag is quite another story and probably costs the same for the whole package from test days with a test car to compeiting.
I know Mads situation was the same back in 2012. Didn´t have same parts as Petter and JML.
For fu@$ sake let's hope Khalid is not driving. Unless of course he's paying for things... Oh wait nevermind..
I thought there was an interview where Mads mentioned he could not get updated parts until the very minute. He also mentioned support was not all that great at that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Private operation is a private operation, has been and always will be, even with cars intended to be customer cars (R5). Everything was last minute for M-Sport also, Tänak in no. 2 team car didn`t get the latest- best parts (this year the same with Suninen and Evans), Ogier was obviously the priority. When there were talks about a private Yaris, Mäkinen immediately said that if that is the case, it`s going to be a 17 spec car...or Neuville getting his new aero for AUS17 and new engine mod for AUS18.
Like said, no reason for being offended and not choosing M-Sports official driver package.
Remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay7GFxwnPMsQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
With due respect, Budar sounds exactly like him. That’s why you should take his ‘fourth’ as a ‘third’…
Ostberg should see if the Mitsubishi people in Sweden (that did the Mitsi R5) want to put a project proposal to the Nismo or Mitsubishi people to run a semi official works WRC team out of Sweden (like the Solberg/ VW team, Olsbergs, Hansen have done in RX etc)
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...eing-developed (soon drop out the batteries, electric motor, inverter etc)
Norway has the electric car marketing angle for Nissan Leafs etc. Le cost cutter is no longer around.
I listened to the Budar interviews from All Live and Autosport podcast with headphones. It seems he says something like fird, a hybrid between third and fourth. It could be his French way of pronouncing English. But wouldn't it be weird to talk about fourth car before ever mentioning a third car?
Where was this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
in his head
https://i.imgur.com/BnVzcbv.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC