excellent video! thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by gianni123
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excellent video! thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by gianni123
with nice holky inside
https://youtu.be/qdeWuGYL9Ns
I wonder, is that his driving stile, or he was just driving on the limit?Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Imagine how fast he could get after sorting out all those mistakes.
Not much experience from the car. Also, trying to be fast to show the team bosses he has the pace. And he succeeded in that. He just needs more testing and more races in a WRC car and he'll be a winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
for sure huge potential ,but he has to fine tune his driving,and we don't know if he is able to do it.He will not be lucky every time to spin with 5th gear into the trees and continue without damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
See Meeke for example.
It's easier to make a fast driver reliable than to make a reliable driver fast.
That off course doesn't mean it's always possible.
And sometimes, when all hope of both speed and consistency seems lost, it appears (JML :D)Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
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Suninen has biggest push almost every clip. Looks like he is over the limit most of the places. Luckily survived until the end. Looks nice atleast. Start to like him already. He has bright future in wrc like Lappi. Huttunen showed good pace aswell. Lets see if he has enough balls to take next step.
Hyundai have same problem with shock absorbers than last year. Rear is powersliding too much and car balance after jumps not perfect like Ford. Paddon did couple of good stages but but...
Tänak obviously loose mood after puncture. Waiting lot of him.
Ogier has two crashes in one week. Lets see in germany if he is back again.
Toyota just wow. Wasnt any surprise that they were that level in Finland. You will see in germany good speed aswell.
Nice rally and i like these new wrc cars. Start to look like real rallying after many years. Amazing speed and sounds nice also. I was in shakedown and jukojärvi stage. Only hate that concretes. Hope they (fia) listen drivers and cutting continues next year.
Thank you for the Videos. Awesome action!!
He knew his pace wasn't there, so he took it steady to watch the others fall instead of going speeds he couldn't handle. Turned out alright for his championship, didn't it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Pretty Ogier-esque this season if you ask me.
Yeah, sure, but early in the event he was bitching about how he wouldn't be competitive. He knows he sucked but he's passing it off as if he'd planned it all along.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigWorm
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Luck is what You made it. He seems to know where he would "get through" with overdriving, more or less, probably sometimes the "luck" won't work, but this rally seems to show he is able to judge more dangerous and less dangerous. In the end he was overdriving a lot, imagine he achieved 2nd place, which wasn't that far away just 2 stages to the end, he wasn't that lucky after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
An interesting observation is the speed of WRC2 this year. Last year Lappi finished less than five minutes behind overall winner, with average speed of 122.8.kph This year's WRC2 winner Jari Huttunen finished over ten minutes behind overall winner, with average speed of 118.2 kph. That kind of result would have been fourth, maybe sixth in WRC2 last year, even with Tidemand retiring on the last stage. So there's still work for him to do, as well for all the R5 drivers this year. You could argue that the route this year was worse for R5 cars, but we can compare also Lempää, which was exactly the same this year, and Greensmith's fastest time is almost 6 seconds slower than Tidemand's last year.
EDIT: Looking closer, it's probably just that the route was made much slower with chicanes, and the WRC cars compensated that by being so much faster, whereas R5 cars were slowed down.
@AnttiL You forgot that the World Rally Cars have become faster while the R5 cars haven't. I don't think that the difference is really five minutes...
Yeh, the route was slowed down exactly the same amount that WRC's got faster, since the winning average speeds were about the same. But I believe that's only 50% of the difference for R5 cars. Like I said, the stage times this year on stages that weren't slowed down were slower. Also, we saw how Veiby was the fastest R5 car before crashing. And usually Tidemand is faster than him, and last year Lappi and Suninen were faster than Tidemand.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUF
If we compare the fastest R2 cars, last year Max Vatanen was 26 minutes behind the winner with 108.8 avg speed. This year Nicolas Ciaman was 28 minutes behind the winner with 106.3 average speed. The difference isn't that big there.
Hey guys, does anybody have a link for Ogier's crash from a fan's eye view? (& not something that belongs to WRC.com) thankx
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AnttiL you forgot that this year specially on saturday road conditions were more wet/damp
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That's true as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
We can also look at the points table and see that the best WRC2 point scorers weren't driving this year, and the WRC2 top 3 of last year went to WRC, so it was expected to have a lower level than last year.
I only realized afterwards that Veiby skipped Portugal, which is a mandatory round in WRC2, so therefore he has already contested in five rounds in WRC2, with two more mandatory rounds, and seven is the maximum. That's why he wasn't going for WRC2 points in Finland.
Mads Østberg´s 50-meters jump / Neste Rally Finland 2017 / Ouninpohja SS19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VbH8MToots
Had a great Rally Finland. Great action from the new WRC cars, in Finland the difference becomes even more clear. A lot of spectators on some places. Especially on Ouninpohja it was crazy, I've rarely seen so many people on a rally.
A few photos:
https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...6f&oe=59FD78A9
https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...fe&oe=59F7AFFA
https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...71&oe=5A02BE85
https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...da&oe=5A379EC9
https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...f6&oe=59FDA753
Small album: https://www.facebook.com/pg/rallyima...89430137735530
That car is running on the sump guard..Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
yes he wasn't lucky as you said, he was able to judge dangerous and less dangerous places.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
This place for example he was able to judge it as ''not dangerous''
https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...6f&oe=59FD78A9
yea he wasn't lucky at all.
He seems to be on the limit all the time. Many moments in both Poland and Finland, v lucky to get to the finish as he could very well have retired in both, but in the end he got nice results.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
When that was put to him by Autosport following Meeke's Finland result, Matton replied: "There is nothing which shows me it was not the right decision.
"We expected more from this weekend.
"At the beginning of the rally he had the right pace, but his approach was different here.
"I can understand his frustration, but he came to the finish and he brought back a lot of information.
"For a driver like Kris, who is a real competitor, it is frustrating, but I think this is the right approach."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report...-being-benched
Well his goal for both these starts was to show he could be fast... not that he could be reliable... or reliably fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigWorm
In Poland after the stage win on Friday which had a lot to do with starting position he was good, but not "wow" fast.
So he went to Finland with same approach, show speed at any cost and he managed that. Even if he crashed say on Saturday afternoon his goal was still achieved.
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@Meeke
Obviously it's exactly as I wrote a month ago. Depending on your angle you can say that benching in Poland ruined his Finland (that's what he says), or that Finland showed it was right to bench him cause he actually made it trough all 3 days now and it was the only choice (Matton).
If he won/did very good you could do the same, say that it shows it was correct to drop him cause he finally made it to finish (Matton would say that), or that it shows it was wrong to drop him cause look how good he is .
But let´s see how he gains experience. Have to wait. Suninen new chapter.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Well on Sunday after some time loss missing a chicane on Saturday he said "I had to try", didn't he? That usually means taking more risks in which his luck might fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
we didn't discuss if he ''tried'' but if he was lucky when he ''tried''Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
its always the same story... after a specialized event the autism of some people kicks in and they see future champions everywhere...
dogs full of flees have more value that all of you in society...
I'm discussing his behavior "in general" not just few stages, because that was Your initial post, later You change the direction. Comparing with Meeke as You said, where is Meeke driving slowly and taking no risks at all? Didn't he still had some "issues", puncture or what was it?!? What was the purpose to push that much and nearly crash in car park in last stage in Mexico? Isn't that more dangerous than jumping slightly in a small ditch like that on the picture?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Pictures from Rally Finland http://www.mkpictures.com/2017/Neste...nland2017.html
Why so sore and ugly when you´ve been so wrong about a lot of things latest half year? Be a man. Admit, and go further.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Let him suffer in peace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
He needs time to recover from the panic attack caused by 4 Finns and 3 Toyotas lading the rally at one point ...
Rallyper, N.O.T is clearly not emotionally attached to this sport like we are. Just do not give him any comments anymore :-) Wonder what he means by ''specialized'' events every time ?!?. When one wins rally finland in ones lifetime you need a great car and you have the talent to drive!
you can discuss whatever you want,but when you quote somebody ,try to be on subject,and not something you think that we are talking.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
first post was this from AnttiL
I quote this and reply thatQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
then you come and quote me writing that he is not lucky,just he knew where to push,at safe corners.(lol x 1000)Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
then I reply with the photo with the ''safe place'' to push that he knew that if he overdrive he will not have a problemQuote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...6f&oe=59FD78A9
and then you jump at another discussion that ''he had to try''
nobody said that he hadn't to try,ALL members who reply at this topic here, said that he was lucky when he tried.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
so YOU changed the direction of discussion,not me.
Try to read carefully,and reply with less audacity.
great photo timing on this one
http://i.imgur.com/0WQe1vf.jpg
So from what a few people told me while in Finland (some who work for TGR) is that they are seriously looking at Tanak for next year since Juho will be out. If Ott stays at M-Sport Teemu is next in line.
I'd seriously doubt any TGR-related information for the time being, no matter who's the source. After the rally, Tommi praised his current line-up in Finnish media (in answers to questions pointing to 2018 line-up), so basically you can make up pretty much anything from these bits and pieces. Tänak might join, Juho might stay, no-one knows at the moment. I guess we know - or can predict - more after Germany/Catalunya.Quote:
Originally Posted by racerx1979