after that was an ex rally 2105,a renault5 gt turbo,peugeot 306 6speed,and after that the Mitsubishi evo viiiQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
none of them had close relations with olive trees.
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after that was an ex rally 2105,a renault5 gt turbo,peugeot 306 6speed,and after that the Mitsubishi evo viiiQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
none of them had close relations with olive trees.
Well, I thought it was a very good movie with some of the key scenes borrowed from the WRC. Also, a lot of effort was made to portray authentic Service Park action (the movie mechanics were trained by well-known APRC/WRC mechanic Miede-san) . The hero's car is an actual Toyota S2000 car imported from South Africa for the movie, though fitted with turbo engine in SP scenes. Also, you will note in this behind the scenes video that it changes from left hand drive to right hand drive (movie magic!). His rival's car is a modified normal car, C3. The movie credits list Nutahara (ex-PWRC) and Katsuta (National Champion) as stunt drivers as well as Mark de Jong ( advisor from WRC Promoter) Some lol moments for me were the 'Tokyo -Odaiba Rally' special stage on the Tokyo Expressway and the 'Hokkaido Ohotsk Rally' where the hero crashes after the Fafe SS jump (some clever CG work, there!). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1r379kG7YAQuote:
Originally Posted by Rally Hokkaido
[QUOTE=Zeakiwi;1183251]Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickRally
As they point out, it is a Singer type of project, i.e. slightly different to what I am trying to achieve, but the Integrale is up there on my list of favorite competition cars and I wish them best of luck, hope they manage to do what they are aiming for.
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Interesting to see that Rally Finland topic has more viewers than the coming Rally Sardegna topic. And still 50 days before NRF:
I have noticed the same with my blog posts. A blog post about the history of Ruuhimäki got the same amount of views in hours as Sardegna, Portugal or Argentina previews got in a number of weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Having watched the full 3 days of Sardinia and then watched the F1 race in Montreal, I think at this point WRC is clearly a more entertaining form of motorsport. Sorry if this is a spoiler for anyone, but over the entire two hours of the Montreal race, there was only one change of position in the top seven. Daniel Ricciardo went from 6th to 4th. And I think that overtake happened through pitstops, not on the track, although honestly I can't even remember. Sebastian Vettel started P1 and led every lap of the race from start to finish.
Why is F1 considered the pinnacle of motorsport again? I mean, I see the appeal for the autistic-spectrum types who love Formula E and look forward to the forthcoming driverless RoboRace series, but why would any normal person prefer F1 to WRC anymore? We went through a really awful period of Loeb/Citroen and then Ogier/VW dominance for a while there, but I think the situation really changed in 2017. We now have a better series in terms of the racing, if not the coverage of that racing (although All Live is improving every rally IMO).
So is it just a matter of time before motorsport fans come over to WRC? Does the promoter have to do more to market the series? Or do most people just not have the patience to follow a rally for 3 days? I think it's the marketing, but that's just me.
can you please keep that f1 talk for when you meet with your girlfriends at tea time ???Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnybobiche
Nobody cares in here what a bunch of women and feminized men fans in team hats think or bother with...
damn kid... get your life sorted !!!!!!
No!! How many motorsport fans are aware (or interested) of the WRC?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnybobiche
The Promoter still has to do miles more - and it has to be FREE coverage. All LIVE is good and getting better, but it's for the die hards. We had an absolutely barnstormer of a finish yesterday - it SHOULD have been the main motorsport story from the weekend. But guess what - it's all about the snoozefest in Canada.
You shouldn´t flare up like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I got what he meant. Probably did you too. No harm in that state.
It'd be interesting to know, at least roughly, how many paid subscribers All Live actually has. It's great and getting better, with a long way to go, but look alone at how many of the hardcore here don't/won't actually pay for it. I can't imagine the subscriber numbers are that big and I'd be amazed if the income from that covers the cost of producing it, so surely the promoter and manufacturers should consider the benefits of just providing it for free and distributing it more widely, rather than just on the own website. You could still keep WRC+ as a paid element with maps and the on board/TV/All Live video archive.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
trust me if you let the brits taken over by their autism they will turn this forum into an F1 discussion... they are pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
you have to strike them down early... they are bottom feeders when it comes to Motorsport... they only care about F1.
They don't give promocodes anymore, so I would guess they did they job advertizing the service and the subscribers has increased. But it's only assumption. I personally had year subscription and I'm happy with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
If nothing else, the cars will always be faster/better than everything else. It's a designated class to be the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnybobiche
F1 is a staple motorsport series, and transcends the boundary of hardened motorsport fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnybobiche
The vast majority are not going to choose WRC over F1. Relative to F1, it's less practical to follow, less historical and cultural significance. A promoter may improve the state of rallies and the series overall. But as far as taking over the popularity of F1, it'll merely be the equivalent a a hamster in a wheel.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnybobiche
Going back to the first question. The good news is that F1 is not the pinnacle of motorsport, it's the pinnacle of car racing, and one of two pinnacles of 4 wheel motorsport. There's two core "motorsports", tarmac track and off-road. Tarmac track is supposed to replicate driving on public roads, and everything falls in line under F1.
WRC is not held on a tarmac track, and is the pinnacle of off-road motorsport. It's not better or worse than F1, but a different discipline. It's equal as a premier motorsport competition.
Idk how everyone else will react to this, but that's how I see it. I take my views of motorsport pretty seriously as a fan. I look forward to any derision of my opinion. :)
Journeyman racer, if you don’t mind me asking, how old are you? The reason I am asking is that you were probably not there in 1986 – WRC displaced F1 from the so called pinnacle of motorsport, I know as I was there. It didn’t last long, but only because F1 had Mr Ecclestone, who is the real reason F1 today is what it is. If he fancied WRC, or any other form of motorsport for that matter, then that is what would have been the “pinnacle” today.Quote:
Originally Posted by journeyman racer
I know people will jump saying the 1986 story couldn’t have and didn’t last long due to the fatalities, so change was needed – that is correct, but not the way the WRC was dealt with, i.e. banning the cars that made it great. When in the 1960’s, the fatalities in F1 were coming every other week, they didn’t ban the cars and turned to “production” models, they improved the safety of the cars that made F1 special. It could have happened in WRC, but there was no one to defend its corner.
Its format suits casual spectating better. If you go on location, just go to the circuit and spend the afternoon there, you're home for the evening. If you choose to watch it on TV, just tune in on a Sunday afternoon, it takes only a couple of hours to see the podium. Meanwhile, rallying takes more effort. You need to follow three days of competitive action and go to the woods and switch stages to see the cars more than once. For the casual spectator the power stage might be enough, but it could be boring when usually the positions are already decided. In this sense, F1 is closer to big sports like soccer or ice hockey. Better for casual spectating.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnybobiche
But I might be the wrong person to answer, I hardly follow any other sports than rallying.
But take a sport like baseball, for example, which consists of 3hr+ games played each day between the same two teams in a best-of-three series, or in the postseason when it's best-of-five or even best-of-seven games. Tens of millions of people watch the MLB World Series every year, and that can easily go to a full 7 games, each game at least 3 hours, so you're talking 21+ hours of baseball in a week or two in order to determine an overall winner.
Now, granted, there's more of a sense of finality to each game as it ends that same day, but it's the series results that count. Anyway, all I'm saying is that if people are willing to watch 3 hours of baseball every day for 3 days, and then do it again the next week, and again, and again, for months and months, it can't be the case that people simply don't have attention spans anymore.
Whenever the "intelligent" people who are in charge of motorsports lament that kids these days with their ipods and internet just don't have the attention span to watch a long race, I think they're making excuses for their stupid boring series that they regulated to death. If attention spans were the problem, wouldn't rallycross be the most popular form of motorsport ever? Who watches rallycross?
You make a good point. The series bosses, (and I especially mean the WRC) try and justify their decisions, yet the evidence doesn't necessarily support it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnybobiche
This weekend sees probably the biggest motorsport event of the whole year; and it's not 2 hours, nor 3, 4, 5 or 6 hours. It's twice round the clock = 24 Hours. Similarly, last month saw another massive 24 Hour race at the Nurburgring; next month sees another one at Spa. We also have extremely popular 12 Hour races at Sebring, Bathurst, etc Even the Dakar, which is 2 weeks long is pretty popular.
I'd argue that the WRC doesn't have one stand-out event; and could do with maybe 1 or 2 such events, i;e make the Monte a proper 'Event', different from the other WRC events; for example, say run it from Tuesday - Friday night.
WRC has never displaced F1 as the pinnacle of motorsport. Not in 1986 with Group B. Not in 1995 with Colin McRae. Never. And it never will.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickRally
My impression (because I wasn't following it then) was that this used to be Safari.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
No, quite contrary to that, Safari was more of a specialist event with not even all teams and drivers taking part, instead using specialist drivers who would not then do the rest of the rounds at all (like Waldegård in 1990 or Ian Duncan). Maybe the car manufacturers felt like it was an important event to show off for car endurance, but us fans were more interested in fights for seconds (we didn't do timing in tenths back then).Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnybobiche
I would say Monte and RAC, maybe also 1000 Lakes and Portugal had a special status already in the 80's 90's which made up a good entry list and good media coverage. And I think those events have still held up their status, despite name changes and route shrinks.
Meanwhile, I never really found appreciation for the 24h track races or rally raids in my young days when I followed motorsports more vastly, but again, maybe that's just me.
It's not a familiar concept to me, but I know the ice hockey and soccer playoffs and final games are the most popular sport events around here, and people love the tension that builds up during the tournament and every match could end their favourite team's tournament, kind of like a rally driver could end their rally on any stage. But still, that's only a couple of hours of intense following in a day. Watching a soccer game equals time wise to watching two stages of All Live coverage.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnybobiche
Why would removing weekend driving make it a "proper" "event"?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
I would agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I'm 37. Idk in what context WRC would've replaced F1. It doesn't matter in the sense that it still would've been the premier car racing class. From the history I know of, I'm led to believe that in the 60ssportscar racing had an more clout due to the smaller F1 cars and smaller fields.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickRally
I'm not sure how much influence Ecclestone had? I think it's more that he made the most of the popularity of motor racing which was always there. Failure to make it commercially powerful would be akin to the premier league failing to be popular in England.
Fair enough if you guys are passionate about Rallying. Despite being a premier motorsport competition, it's not perfect. You can't deny F1 it's place at the top, even if it's not alone. The cars are much more powerful which in itself legitimises it, and has the complication of traffic. Being able to deal with traffic is part of being a great driver.
Not only does Rallying not have traffic, but is essentially a touring car that can handle the off road. Touring car racing has always been a couple of steps down from F1. But Rallying has the difficult conditions to drive in and the lack of repetition circuit racing has.
It's certainly not inferior to F1, it's just it's never going to take the sunshine away from F1
Thank for your input prison colony...Quote:
Originally Posted by journeyman racer
now go bother with what hand lotion your ladyboy f1 drivers use after the race....
Well, traffic sucks everywhere, especially f1 kind of traffic, where there is no opportunity to pass others.
Lotion has ran out. Ladyboy F1 drivers have used it all on your arse.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I don´t see why you should bather sit in a bar full of rallyfans arguing in favour of F1 racing? As been said it´s waist of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by journeyman racer
What was the question in the first place? Ahhh, never mind. Why not just stick to the F1 forums?
LOL How can anybody dislike N.O.T? He's been doing top-grade trolling on this forum for 18 years. The man is a gift!
You find me another forum anywhere on the internet with someone that dedicated to his craft.
I, for one, salute you.
Ah come on, now. If the man thinks what he thinks let him speak. Bartender, a round of drinks for everyone!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Rally will never be f1 for the simple reason that f1 is far more casual...
every overweight human dog can spend 2-3 hours on a sunday and watch that garbage and claim he likes motorsports, he might go a step further and along with his supersize coke orders a cap of his favourite team... plus all the celebrity status attracts women as well so the crowds grow.
Rally needs dedication... you need to waste 3 whole days of your life to follow it properly... so even if TV grows still nobody will spend their weekends watching motorsports unless they are problematic like most of us here...
f1 fans are like pop song fans... the bottom feeders of life with no standards.
and you dare bring f1 discussion in my house ????? HOW DARE YOU ?????
now back to proper discussion...
It must be some kind of a virus. Each time I got to the word f1, I just stop reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
f1 fans are like pop song fans...
this sentence is one of the best I`ve heard regarding the subject, sums it all up!
What an irony, at my place of work (F1 team) we admire the top rally drivers more than the top F1 drivers, and that is without being disrespectful towards the F1 drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by journeyman racer
Taking the sunshine away from F1 is a very good way to put it - as I said, top flight rallying did exactly that in the mid 80's.Quote:
Originally Posted by journeyman racer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LyE4tpmAuMQuote:
Originally Posted by journeyman racer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iE0cd7nNfM
You're right, rally drivers suck at traffic.
Right? What's all the big fuzz about?Quote:
Originally Posted by NickRally
This notion that you have to be on one side or the other confuses me. Beer or wine, dogs or cats, tits or asses, F1 or rally... I like all that stuff. Chill out and enjoy.
And brandy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
Being proud that you enjoy both barbeque roasts and shit from a sewer the same like some non-filter low standards subhuman is a not something that you should advertise...Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
You're too sour, NOT. F1 can be boring and dull and faker than reality TV but there's a certain charm to it that at least made me interested in trying to like it at one point.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Life isn't black or white.