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So will Tommi Gazoo take over the enginebuild as well now, and use an external engine builder?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Are these engines essentially the only thing TMG had to do with this programme?
Mainly yes, only some small things comes from TMG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
TMG facilities are in use (wind tunnels etc.)
Not 100% sure but it's what Toyota are trying to turn into a performance brand, I believe. They renamed all their works motorsport activities last year to be under this banner, including their Le Mans and Nurburgring 24 (which I'm currently on my way to) efforts.Quote:
Originally Posted by RAS007
I believe the name came from Mr Toyoda or someone high up and was their private race team, but don't quote me on that.
Depends how much they test. It's possible to do even more than 300 km of tests per day and in that case the engine needs a revision after just several days. We shall also take into account that the car first run only few weeks a go and it's the time when the problems shall appear to be later solved.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
And why not suspect that they test reliability this way? Drive until it breaks down and assess weakest link?
Some photos of those tests last week in Catalunya:
http://ralliaire.blogspot.com.es/
Are we even sure that this info about 4 engines comes from some kind of credible source, or is it just a case of the jungle telegraph?
and they are driving with 2 cars = double kmQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
#1 car in Finland
#2 car in South-Europe
#3 car is tarmac spec, not 100% sure is it ready yet...
You can't fault their effort and testing schedule, it sounds like they'll be testing pretty much non stop with 3 cars for the rest of the season simultaneously. Whether the cars are any good is the question though...
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Japanese forum friends could be more helpful explaining what’s Gazoo, as probably there’s nothing like it in Europe. Apparently Gazoo it's much more than a simple brand. It’s a powerful tool used as e-marketing and social media platform for Toyota group makes and activities. It was developed by Mr. Toyoda before becoming the group President and Gazoo racing activities started steadily, surely motivated by Akio’s strong passion for motorsport. At the beginning of 2015 all major Toyota's motorsport activities, previously spread in many structures, were centralized in a new formation called Toyota Gazoo Racing, headed by Toyoda.Quote:
Originally Posted by dodge33cymru
http://www.toyota-global.com/company...ota-gazoo.html
https://gazoo.com/Pages/index.aspx
Teemu / Rallirinki @HartusvuoriWRC
Toyota Gazoo testing today in Central Finland with #YarisWRC chassis #1. Picture taken from Instagram user jmaukka.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cj3Rb6qWEAA4sXK.jpg
Hanninen at Spain 6th day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqUohcP2-xU
I wonder what made the noise found in this video so distinctive - something broken? Or an idea that was dumped after a test? https://youtu.be/Y3YUhUApXv4
To me it's just some wrong settings in the audio recording of the camera... may it be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
sound camo... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc0cOLcHVSsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
Nikara is driving #1 car with Tommi this week.
They will be testing in Estonia or what is this about ?https://twitter.com/rallyparadise/st...48159407837184
Pantealex you know more ?
The main HQ will be in Finland (rally cars) & 2nd in Tallinn (recce & service cars). All the rally cars will carry Estonian reg. plates. Not know why, but it must be much cheaper and easier in Estonia...Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Ah ok thanks! Yeah it's cheaper here.
Yes, they get red SP numbers. They pay a bit over 200 eur to Estonian Autosport Union, some for registering and registry plate and they do not need to carry out regular technical checks as it will be done before each rally anyway. And there is no car tax in Estonia.Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
Registration cost in Finland is related to the power of the car , CO2 emisson, age etc. (KWh), so, you may assume that registration 2017 WRC costs a lot + there is also annual car tax if i am not msitaken that is based on similar things (Age, CO2, power, etc). You need one more employee to calculate all those taxes :P
I think it's more related to how easy it is to register the cars in Estonia than to the cost (in such big project such cost is not that important). We have some of our cars registered in Eesti also and it's much, much easier to do it.
Exactly, in Finland impossible register without airbags etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Yes, I do:
There was two pages story about Tommi/Toyota in todays Keskisuomalainen (local newspaper in Jyväskylä)
short summary:
Lot of work to do but they have enough time
So far 3000km testing, aim is 25000km
#3 is tarmac one (ready? they don´t tell)
#2 car next to Portugal and Italy, driver Hänninen
#1 car will head to Eastern-Europa next (probably means east part of western-europa)
Some "new" team members:
Tom Fowler (from nuclearcompany like RallyPer)
Simon Carrier (Ford)
Kevin Postecin (KTM)
Michael Zotos (RX USA)
70 people working now, will be little over 100
9 WRC cars will be made
only free WRC driver is Östberg, and is willing to swap, all other have contracts (Neuville does not want leave Hyundai)
Hänninen is strong candidate to be 1 out of 3 drivers
other names that Tommi is interested: Lappi, Suninen and Tidemand. (2018 maybe some of current top drivers is willing to join them)
And that Estonia case:
Gazoo Juniors Takamoto Katsuta and Hiroki Arai will use Fiesta R5 evo´s from MM-Motorsport (Markko Märtin), and team is located in Tallinn, so it´s almost 100% sure that Toyota´s second place is that.
5 rallies announced so far, 3 in Finnish championship (rallies in Sastamala-Huittinen, Turku and Tampere area), ERC Estonia and WRC2 Finland.
Very interesting. Ostberg, Lappi, Hanninen is an okay lineup for 2017. Improve reliability, flash some speed and try to lure Latvala for 2018.
Thanks a lot for the info! Only free driver Ostberg? Interesting, Tänak, Sordo, Neuville are all free after this year. What i read out from this is that Tänak is going back to m-sport next year and Neuville and Sordo will stay with Hyundai.
As far as i know that Toyota wants that one driver is japanese. One driver is Hanninen, so basically just 1 seat left then.
be serious...Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
yeah i know, its a joke for me too but im not surprised either...i think there were already rumors about this a long time ago.
be serious...Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
lol...it doesnt mean that this will happen.
I told you that you need to hire additional person in Finland who counts all the rules and taxes you have to pay to own WRCar ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
still, no need to mention stupid rumours.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
The Japanese driver thing was mentioned some time ago but I don't they said they will put one in from the start. They have a driver development program and I guess they hope to produce one that's good enough.
Tommi didn´t mentioned Sordo and Tänak at all ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
(He said: Ogier and JML will continue with VW,
Mikkelsen, Paddon and Meeke all have multi year contracts,
Neuville does´t want to leave Hyundai
that leaves only Östberg available and likely he is willing to join Toyota)
Japanese driver is possible to 3rd car, Mr Toyoda wants that and that is the reason why Arai and Katsuta are driving, I don´t believe that Tommi takes Östberg, I still believe that "old foxes" are driving 1 offs.
How does that work in rally cars?Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Or is it just for car past a certain date?
can't apply to all rally cars, no?
F cup?
old cars don´t need airbags,Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
F-cars and almost all others have no reg.plates in Finland, they have those sticker plates. (and those stickers are not valid outside Finland, that why Toyota must have plates from another country)
Yeah I sincerely doubt they will put either of the development guys into a car from the word go. They've had nowhere near enough experience or relevant seat time. They'll only have done one WRC event in an R5 before next year. Better to have it as a long-term aim.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
Besides given the new rules it's debatable whether the FIA would even allow it. Supposedly Toyota are building an R5 so hopefully they could run that a bit more frequently next year - although I've no idea when that car is being homologated.