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Not related to the topic, unless one is trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Only if one is a complete idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Was West Berlin under the control of a terrorist organization like Gaza is? I must have missed that in history class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camelopard
The people within Gaza are not "surrounded by a brutal army" but surrounded by a hostile nation and under the control of two brutal armies who at various stages have also waged bloody battles within their own streets (Hamas and Fatah).
Actually, the ability to read and comprehend the specific authority of member nations outlined in the numerous cease fire agreements led me to that very simple conclusion. People that read between the lines might find another answer to the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Your entire argument seems to be that since the Israelis shouldn't have been on the vessel, any actions regardless of nature were ok.
Based on that train of thought, Roamy can start identification of illegals in his area so a mob of US citizens can beat them down and stab them, then throw them off a small building or something. Would that be justified to you Eki?
Actually Air we just want them to stay at home and immigrate legally. George Bush asked for a worker card whereby Mexicans could come and go legally but NO we need their fcuking criminals and lame. Try to go work in Mexico and see how far your get. Why the double standard?? I don't have to do sh!t except support Joe Arpaio who is a "hitter" and just what arizona needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
Are we talking about Roamy's neighborhood or international waters? On international waters, it's not justified in any way. If it's in Roamy's neighborhood, it's legally justified if local laws allow it, but not morally justified. In any case Roamy is morally justified to defend himself with necessary means if those illegals attack him or his house like the Israelis attacked the ship (which was comparable to Roamy's house and were turf of the activists). It would not have been justified for the activist to follow fleeing Israelis to the international waters, which they didn't because everything happened on THEIR ship that was sailing on INTERNATIONAL waters and NOT on ISRAELI waters.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
I remember when Iran snatched some British soldiers they claimed were on Iranian waters and the Brits claimed they were on international waters. If we had it the Israeli way, that would be a moot point. It would be OK to snatch foreign nationals on international waters. Oh sorry, I forgot the Israeli way is that they can do whatever they want even if others couldn't.
The moral of the story is "Whatever floats your boat" But don't float it in my neighborhood if you don't have ID.
Now with respect to the embargo. Based on actions they have declared that they are under the "War" doctrine. This is what I understand. So I don't know the mile marker they took on the ship but the hard part is that if it is within the boundary of the country it is one thing if it is in international waters it is another and I will accept the fact that Israel right or wrong doesn't give a sh!t. What I think most of you fail to understand is that in the scheme of Nuclear power Israel ranks probably 2 or 3 which means they can do some major damage to the entire region. You guys want to play fcukaround with a power that will do you under. Do you think Lebanon or Palestine is going to blow up Europe - not hardly but Israel can at the drop of a hat. The trouble with you guys is that you are supporting a pig in a horse race. and the fact is if you continue down this path you ain't gonna win. Do you think that in D day for Israel they don't have a few missiles pointed at Germany. Ha get off the dope. You Tires are responsible for your own demise by supporting the wrong side and ultimately you are going to pay the price. Simple as this - If Israel gets attacked big time you die.
Do the research do the math your ass is grass if Iran nukes Israel and you guys just sit on your lame ass criticizing Israel and letting N. Korea go free. And N. Korea is helping Iran get the bomb that goes to Israel who in-turn blows the sh!t out of the middle east and much of the EC. It is apparent when the Muslims are taking over much of your country you are just not the "sharpest knives in the drawer"
I think that is very far-ferched. Why would Israel want to aim anything at its allies (Germany, Italy, etc.)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
Unfortunately, Israel knows how to fight wars but not how to portray itself in world media. This has become equally important in the global stage and it has gotten to a point people will justify any move agains Israel. I regret that and invite anyone to open their mind and try to look beyond propaganda. I think that anyone has to visit in the middle east if he/she is to have an unbiased view. The media just doesn't do us justice. Of course a big part of that is our fault.
Concerning the flotilla, I think it was a disaster for Israel. In this current day all media will be biased against us but we walked right into this disaster. Huge faults in the intelligence (they should have known those on board were looking for blood), PR (we only responded long hours after the incident) and the action itself was taken all wrong (coming onto the boat right into those savages' hands and getting into a situation people need to be killed in order for the soldiers to come out of it alive. In public media interviews the soldiers said they weren't prepared to anything close to this. They came for a quiet political protest which ended as a full out attack on them. Anyone would have acted as they did to save their own lives.
You can say that again. Stop lying, giving excuses and covering things up, then people might believe you:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2009,1001.html
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Israel: operation media crackdown
Operation Cast Lead, Israel’s military offensive against the Gaza Strip, had an impact on the press. As regards its internal situation, Israel sank 47 places in the index to 93rd position. This nose-dive means it has lost its place at the head of the Middle Eastern countries, falling behind Kuwait (60th), United Arab Emirates (86th) and Lebanon (61st).
Israel has begun to use the same methods internally as it does outside its own territory. Reporters Without Borders registered five arrests of journalists, some of them completely illegal, and three cases of imprisonment. The military censorship applied to all the media is also posing a threat to journalists.
As regards its extraterritorial actions, Israel was ranked 150th. The toll of the war was very heavy. Around 20 journalists in the Gaza Strip were injured by the Israeli military forces and three were killed while covering the offensive.
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Originally Posted by Rani
How about a warning when you're going to make a REALLY funny joke? The way I see it, you now owe me $613 for a new HD monitor - this fruit juice will never clean up! Should I just put this on your (multi-billion $) tab, or would it be possible for me to get a check?
You can swing by the house with the check. We could discuss this in a civil manner. Just don't jump on my roof at night with a paintball gun (or any other kind of gun). To me, a man on the roof with a paintball gun, toy gun or real gun would cause me to begin squeezing the trigger on my AK. And that's no good for anybody. Just bring the check and some beer. We'll chew the fat, and some deer jerky, and work this out.
And no, I will not loan you the $613 so you can pay me the $613. That's the kind of thinking that we're trying to get away from, right?