What Happens Next?

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I think no one should apolgize for their tastes, it is a free country, or countries in this case. I have been a loyal Champ Car supporter and still am, but I reserve the right to demand a 100 % on the part of the Ownership to make this thing fly, and I think I have a right as a fan to criticize when I don't like the direction of the series. Right now, the professionalism of management has NOT been evident, and it has made it really tough.

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Mark,

I agree that anyone is free to state their opinion on the current state of Champ Car and the job that it's leaders are doing. I also agree that based on current news, the series is not doing that well and the leaders do not appear to be managing the situation very well. In fact, it is fair to say they are doing a poor job.

However, they decided to save the series in 2004, and all I was trying to say is that they deserved to be commended for taking the risk and spending a lot of money to do so. They tried and as far as I know are still trying. Granted, things aren't going too well and the future looks bleak, unless they get their collective acts together and run the series in a professional manner.

I also like you, reserve the right to criticize. As a fan, I too expect them to perform. I was very happy when they took over in 2004 and a seemingly brighter future was in front of us. Well, it hasn't worked out that way and in my opinion the series will be gone soon. My prediction is that it will either collapse in 2008 or 2009.

I don't like it, but I really can't see any other outcome based on the actions, or lack of action from the leadership, and the bad news that seems to be a regular occurrence these days.

I hope I am wrong and would be happy to be reminded of this in the future, if it means we have a strong, successful and prosperous Champ Car in years to come.

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Originally Posted by FlatChatRacer

Mark,

I agree that anyone is free to state their opinion on the current state of Champ Car and the job that it's leaders are doing. I also agree that based on current news, the series is not doing that well and the leaders do not appear to be managing the situation very well. In fact, it is fair to say they are doing a poor job.

However, they decided to save the series in 2004, and all I was trying to say is that they deserved to be commended for taking the risk and spending a lot of money to do so. They tried and as far as I know are still trying. Granted, things aren't going too well and the future looks bleak, unless they get their collective acts together and run the series in a professional manner.

I also like you, reserve the right to criticize. As a fan, I too expect them to perform. I was very happy when they took over in 2004 and a seemingly brighter future was in front of us. Well, it hasn't worked out that way and in my opinion the series will be gone soon. My prediction is that it will either collapse in 2008 or 2009.

I don't like it, but I really can't see any other outcome based on the actions, or lack of action from the leadership, and the bad news that seems to be a regular occurrence these days.

I hope I am wrong and would be happy to be reminded of this in the future, if it means we have a strong, successful and prosperous Champ Car in years to come.

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All of us want Champ Car to succeed, except maybe a few trolls. That said, I wont put my brain in neutral while Iam funnelled the Kool Aid.

I have never once said the Amigo's were not brave with their cash in the first few years. I was with the program for the most part, but it has become clear that they are moving into a new phase of moving offshore and only going to events that pay them the money up front, and not really doing the due diligence on the promotors. Phoenix was the proof I needed in my mind to say that Champ Car was not paying attention to the details. I has done them no good to spend the money for all the events and Cosworth, to then not spend the extra few bucks for the better TV contracts and promote the series properly.

As far as Iam concerned, this year has undone all the good work they did, but hey, it is their money. Just if I keep finding other things to watch because I cant get their races on TV when they are supposed to be on, at some point, I will not look any more. It is almost to that point now. I would prefer they were on tape delay a week late then what I have to do to see them on TV now. In Australia, they had NO outlet until half way through the season. I don't think too many Americans are happy with the ESPN backhand they get by being on Classic. The broadcast when I have seen it is boring and almost cutrate. It does them no good to continue this way.

It does them no good to go to Europe when they have done so little to consolidate and grow their native market. So call me names or argue with me or not, but I stand by what I said earlier. If this series dies in the next two years, it will be no one's fault but the Amigos......it isn't like I haven't tried to be a fan, but they are leaving me behind.....

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Originally Posted by Papyrus

ChiamWiz you are a person who is delious and cant see the truth all true fans can see that you are not one and we all see you only want FTG and the IRK to win what they can neverr win because the grandson is not a busines man like those who keep our sport alive against the dreams of all who want us dead. We speak with our business men and they are smarter and they believe since we have survived since 1909 ,,, We know the truth of what they seek and it is not the same as FTG, BE and the Little France,,, so why do you attack us on a place that is here for true fans to share all the positive our series is? Sanguin written we have fans when other series dont and the racing is good,,, our plan dosnt depends on another series being killed,,, The facts are there and you dont see,,, ChampCar throws a party and race breaks out,,, the IRK throws a race and a girl fight breaks out,,, whats so hard to understand?

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Somebody has got this parody spot on :D

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Originally Posted by pickaxe

Somebody has got this parody spot on :D

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Scary huh :)

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It does them no good to go to Europe when they have done so little to consolidate and grow their native market. So call me names or argue with me or not, but I stand by what I said earlier. If this series dies in the next two years, it will be no one's fault but the Amigos......it isn't like I haven't tried to be a fan, but they are leaving me behind.....

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Mark,

Fair enough, and please note that I have never called you names and I hope no else has done so either.

I enjoy the discussion and particularly the premise of this thread. Like you I agree that it is hard to stay a committed fan when the ship seems to be rudderless.

By the way, can you please explain what "drinking the KoolAid" means? I realise that it is something to do with being gullible, but why KoolAid?

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Originally Posted by FlatChatRacer

Mark,

Fair enough, and please note that I have never called you names and I hope no else has done so either.

I enjoy the discussion and particularly the premise of this thread. Like you I agree that it is hard to stay a committed fan when the ship seems to be rudderless.

By the way, can you please explain what "drinking the KoolAid" means? I realise that it is something to do with being gullible, but why KoolAid?

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It's a reference to the Jonestown mass suicide in Nov. of 1978, where the followers of Jim Jones drank cyanide laced Kool-aid or as wikipedia refers to it "flavor aid"

Gary

Gary,

Thank you. I genuinely did not know that.

Cheeze Whiz,,, I know, I've seen,,, it's clear, to the ones who read and understand,,, the fight will be fought through victory and upon wrath of the liked track of speed,,, my sources say "outlook not clear" and thus eight ball convertible,,, non-believers need not apply 2008 to surprise all,,,, good sausage,,, great brattwurst,,, the sky is not falling,,,,,,all is clear with patience and paperclips,,,,

OK, now that we've all weighed in on this, what can we as fans do to fix this mess? I asked this same question over in the IRL forum.

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Originally Posted by Chaparral66

OK, now that we've all weighed in on this, what can we as fans do to fix this mess? I asked this same question over in the IRL forum.

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Nothing. The war isn't being fought for our benefit. It is being fought for theirs.