FIA sends spy case to Court of Appeal

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Originally Posted by Flat.tyres

it was a topic for discussion way before this between journalists so the likelyhood of it being questioned would have been high wouldn't you say?

is that fairer?

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No, because of this.....

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61260

Where Ron Dennis states, and I would like to quote for the benifit of the jury....

"Were it not for Mr Stepney drawing this illegal device to the attention of McLaren ... there is every reason to suppose that Ferrari would have continued to race with an illegal car,"

If Ron himself says that there is every reason to suppose that Ferrari would have continued, then your claim that there was a likelihood of it being questioned without the email seems very weak.

I'd be interested to know how you can claim that, given what Ron has said, unless you don't believe Ron Dennis is being truthful?

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Originally Posted by Hendersen

Huh? you are a mod here? You ARE trolling. What the hell, dude? It's perfectly obvious they acted in a way to protect themselves from being suspect of having information they should not have had, that they in fact illegally had on top of trying to hold on to the secrecy of their spy whom provided it..

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The moderator here does not like this at all, and sidetracks the discussion into the refutation of possibilities


It is all very simple: What Mclaren was trying to do was NOT burn the source of their information..that lttle piece of info may have been something so obvious, that sooner or later, someone else like the FIA was going to catch it....but why burn your source?



Well you do it if you are honest and have no use for such stuff,

and you do NOT do it, if you are hoping that something much better will pop out in the future and do not want to close the door on such future possibilities

(and their own clandestine activites demonstrate their knowledge of the legality of how they were acting and their intent to take advantage of the situation in the future)

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Originally Posted by tamburello

No, because of this.....

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61260

Where Ron Dennis states, and I would like to quote for the benifit of the jury....

"Were it not for Mr Stepney drawing this illegal device to the attention of McLaren ... there is every reason to suppose that Ferrari would have continued to race with an illegal car,"

If Ron himself says that there is every reason to suppose that Ferrari would have continued, then your claim that there was a likelihood of it being questioned without the email seems very weak.

I'd be interested to know how you can claim that, given what Ron has said, unless you don't believe Ron Dennis is being truthful?

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nope, we are in complete agreement for once my friend.

Ferrari would have continued to race with an illegal car until they got caught. the only thing that is in dispute is how long it would have taken to uncover this cheating and what would have been the outcome if it was discovered at the end of the season instead of the beginning.

perhaps McLaren done them a favour by informing the FIA instead of letting them be caught with what the FIA have described as an illegal device otherwise they may have been severly penalised.

fair enough, yopu win this one my learned friend :D

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Your last comment/question was demonstrates why mere speculation proves nothing:...

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Exactly :up:

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Originally Posted by Flat.tyres

nope, we are in complete agreement for once my friend.

Ferrari would have continued to race with an illegal car until they got caught. the only thing that is in dispute is how long it would have taken to uncover this cheating and what would have been the outcome if it was discovered at the end of the season instead of the beginning.

perhaps McLaren done them a favour by informing the FIA instead of letting them be caught with what the FIA have described as an illegal device otherwise they may have been severly penalised.

fair enough, yopu win this one my learned friend :D

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For the umpteenth time, the Ferrari was not illegal. It has not been disqualified, ergo it is legal.

For the umpteenth time, the FIA have not said that such a device as fitted to the Ferrari was illegal. Whiting makes no reference to Ferrari.

Please provide factual evidence to disprove these statements.

You know, factual evidence, a fact, something we cannot instantly disprove like we do with your previous offerings?

Actually, i'll be kind and give you the whole weekend to strengthen your case.

I've got a race car to sell.

Mike: "I just got the 708 page bible of ferrari on car set up from our secret source..."

RD: "Shut up!! I do not want to hear anymore about this--get your book and get yourself outa here....and do not be using our copy machines emails and so forth about this...."

Mike: "okay...okay..."

RD: "however, we were thinking about making some calibration changes in our wind tunnels...why don't we have a cup of tea and talk about some possibilities.."

Mike: "Sure..let us go..."

RD: "not right now, say in a week or so...."

Yeah that is why you do not burn your informants

many years ago, there was a nut case who would go visit the secret service and fbi almost every day when he was not in the mental hospital..always with some crazy worthless story...but they never closed the door....one day he came in and said someone had a counterfeit operation in a wharehouse right under your noses...so out of boredom, someone started watching from the windows of SS, looking at the closest wharehouse...and guess what...yeah busted!!!

See, one only burns bridges if one never ever intends to use them in the future.....

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Originally Posted by markabilly

The moderator here does not like this at all...

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Correct, because far from being "perfectly obvious" it's mere speculation, and we've established that mere speculation proves nothing.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

For the umpteenth time, the Ferrari was not illegal. It has not been disqualified, ergo it is legal.

For the umpteenth time, the FIA have not said that such a device as fitted to the Ferrari was illegal. Whiting makes no reference to Ferrari.

Please provide factual evidence to disprove these statements.

You know, factual evidence, a fact, something we cannot instantly disprove like we do with your previous offerings?

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Yeah, but Ron Dennis called it "illegal" so to many posters here, that makes it illegal. RD is their god, his word is final and always truthful.

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Originally Posted by wmcot

Yeah, but Ron Dennis called it "illegal" so to many posters here, that makes it illegal. RD is their god, his word is final and always truthful.

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Indeed :up:

I would like the people calling Ferrari's floor at Australia "illegal", to show me which sporting regulation was being breached .