There was this exorcism case not long ago in Romania, pretty nasty one and not the only one either.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
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There was this exorcism case not long ago in Romania, pretty nasty one and not the only one either.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
Funny how that didn't really happened in Romania.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
In fact in Romania most priests became informers of the Secret Police (Securitate) and sent many people to sure death.
Maybe your priests had a spine and didn't want to become informers, though I somehow doubt it.
They weren't intolerant because they were atheist. They were intolerant because they were communist.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Might be true. Most of people joined the Communist Party from opportunism and not because they believed in the „cause”. At least in my country communism was imposed not wanted. Many of them continued to follow the religious traditions avoiding to be seen in a church ( example: they wanted to baptize their children, it wasn’t legally forbidden but their presence in the church could add a black page in their „file”, so they called the priest at home and did the service in the bathroom using the bathtub as a font :laugh: ).Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
However communists can be blamed for horrible crimes, priests can't. And it's fair to say that simply following a rite doesn't make you a good christian.
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Originally Posted by Ioan
It’s with regret that I have (again!) to say you’re completely lost from the realities of your country. History is based on documents and not on what you listern at a queue in Matache market.
It’s a fact that there were informers among priests – this phenomenon occured esp in the last years of communism and I don’t think they did a lot of harm. The anticommunist feeling was quasi general in that period. Even “Secu” closed their eyes and only add “facts” at our files. And informers were among all of us, doctors, teachers, scientists, artists, writers or simply workers or peasants.
It’s also a fact (but you seem to ignore it, hopefully you do it from lack of knowledge ) that in the stalinist period ( the one when you risked to be sent in jail or channel for a simple joke and when most of the horrible communist crimes had happened in communist camps) many priests were those who supported the resistance fight against communism, many of them were sent to jail –sometimes for the only fault that they believe in God-, and even in jail they helped the other political prisoners to keep their dignity.
BTW, Ioane, have you ever heared of father Dumitru Staniloae?
They changed them. In the 40s they killed the noble and good priests, Orthodox and Catholic and really tried to enforce the atheist point of view. And they were atheists, you know, it was part of their ideology and there were ridiculous opinions such as plane pilots saying that they went to the sky and found no God. Once they realized that they can not destroy religion, they infiltrated it. So yes, in Bulgaria, from the 50s, I think, many priests were State Security lapdogs. But it wasn't like that in the beginning. Many churches were destroyed and priests killed and the mantra was "religion is opium for the masses". But in the beginning the commies were internationalists and later they became nationalistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I was expecting this answer about Tanacu case. :laugh: Wonder what else could you say...Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Esp. that 2 weeks ago Cristian Mungiu's movie "Beyond hills" based on this case trimphed at Cannes film festival.
What happened at Tanacu is an isolated case and every community has its fools. For those who don't know what we're talking about: a nun was killed by a priest and 4 other nuns in a so called act of exorcism.
But what do you ( Ioan ) think about the fact that the priest was found guilty only for the lack of victim's freedom and a few days ago he was liberated? Justice is not religious....
You're not arguing over such important things with a Political Sciences Master holder like F1boat, are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
He/she , of all of us, has the best knowledge about such things, he knows it all. Well at least that's what he/she says. :s
So what exactly is that I didn't understand?!Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
With regret I have to say that you don't understand what you read and write.
BTW I'm not sure what you Matache market is, I personally learned history from books not from your neighboring market, nor from the soap operas.
The Securitate were the 2nd most atrocious secret police in Eastern European countries, only surpassed by the East Germans.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
People working in the Securitate were not closing their eyes to anything, every person over whom they've got an information has been interrogated and the means they were using were in many cases extreme.
Many thousands of people have been imprisoned for life and/or sentenced to hard work at the Danube / Black See channel, and you have think these brutal beasts were turning a blind eye to the information?! Tell that to all those poor political prisoners and to their families!
And those priests you try so hard to protect were the ones who spilled teh beans for many of those thousands who roted in prisons and in work camps!
Sure it is a fact, and the proof is where?!Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
How many of them turned into secret police informants and how many did something good. If you knew the facts you might be surprised. Though it seems that you are a bit misinformed. And BTW even though they have been proved to have been secret police informants those priest are still part of the church and still preaching to people about their gods teachings! Funny eh?!
I'm not into religion, as you might have already realized, hopefully, so I don't really care about any one cherry picked examples of yours. I'm sure you know it by know, given how knowledgeable you are, that picking one case to counter another thousand is not really useful, though it might work well with the masses. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
I've read not so long ago a story about a priest who recently did something good for the village that he is assigned too and I say good to him that's a person who deserves praise, the problem is that he's one of the very few priests who do such things even though the Church has the means (read money) to help the people in need.
Sure, sure, can you please point us out those examples? Looking forward to it. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Though I know you're just trolling around here, so why don't you just get lost unless you have great knowledge about priests in communists countries between 1945 and 1989, in which case please do not keep it a secret.
ioan, cool down and remember that you are not in position to tell our members to get lost...thank you!