Hamilton: Maybe it's because I'm black

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Originally Posted by barryfullalove

I don't get why people are defending the move on Massa. I'm an out and out LH fan, I cut him more slack than a lot of people, but that move on Massa was only going to end with contact. The Maldonado one is what I've got an issue with, because it was basically the same move Lewis had pulled on Schumi earlier in the race.

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I'd agree with you. The Massa incident was mainly Hammy's fault. Massa is allowed to move once to defend his position and he did that. Saying that he could have avoided it by taking the normal racing line, it was avoidable if Massa chose. There was a little fault on his side as well.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I don't seem to remember the part of the sporting regulations that says "If Senna says it then it's part of the sporting regs" :confused:

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Is there a point in racing with that view then?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Fair point.

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True enough, but Schumacher didn't NEED to let Hamilton through, Hamilton never would have made the apex if Schumacher had chosen the racing line. Schumacher got criticised for what happened with petrov in Turkey so he chose to let the position go and keep on going. Imagine if Schumacher had done the same as Maldonado, imagine the stink over that.......

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Yeah, Schumacher would have been blamed by the very same people that are attacking Hamilton now.

It's funny people's perspective based on the drivers they support/like :D

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Not necessarily it wasn't. Rosberg could have (but crucially, did not) turned in on the Shoe, and the Shoe could have (but......) did not turn in on Lewis. Massa chose to turn in, Lewis did not invite him to do so. You need to look at the Shoe's move on Nico, from as far back as Lewis, and then listen to the commentary. Then contracst that to the Massa/Lewis move, and listen to the commentary. I think it is about this point that MB points out that an overtake requires a willing opponent.

Kudos to Lewis for trying. There are quite a few elsewhere on this 'ere forum slagging JB for not trying to pass Alonso...

Damned if you do, buggered senseless to clowns pocket proportions if you don't!

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I'll have to look at the Schumacher/Rosberg overtake again, I thought Schumacher was closer than Hamilton was.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

DiResta might tend to think different.

Anyway, those of us who know and are willing to see that the Maldonado incident was clearly not Lewis's fault have done more then enough. I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary to suggest Lewis did anything wrong. There has been video and picture evidence shown in this thread that clearly shows Hamilton was in the clear and correct to attempt and overtake.

I'm waiting for evidence from the anti-Hamilton brigade to show how he was wrong in the Maldonado incident. Those that say he took his normal line are wrong, he clearly didn't as that line is not used by any driver on a regular lap. I woudln't see a Junior Karter take that line.

So I put to those anti-Hamilton folks, show us evidence that conveys how Hamilton was wrong in the Maldonado incident. It's the same for the Massa incident really but clearly Lewis was a bit too opportunistic there but Massa did turn in on him taking an incorrect line into Loews.

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My god, your ability to argue a point is incredibly poor.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Anyway, those of us who know and are willing to see that the Maldonado incident was clearly not Lewis's fault have done more then enough. I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary to suggest Lewis did anything wrong. There has been video and picture evidence shown in this thread that clearly shows Hamilton was in the clear and correct to attempt and overtake.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Anyway, those of us who think that the Maldonado incident was clearly not Lewis's fault have done more then enough by purely thinking that Lewis wasn't at fault. I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary to suggest Lewis did anything wrong other than the fact that he never even made the apex of the corner. There has been video and picture evidence shown in this thread that clearly shows Hamilton was in the clear and correct to attempt and overtake because by law Maldonado MUST drive in the same manner as Schumacher if he's being overtaken by Hamilton.

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Your posts are no more than poorly reasoned rubbish that you think is right for all the wrong nonsensical reasons.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Oh come on, Schumacher was alongside Rosberg and wasn't just sticking his nose in.

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Seriously, have you watched and compared the two moves? Very similar they are indeed actually.....

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Is there a point in racing with that view then?

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What view?

Can we all cool down please, I don't want to have to close this thread.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

My god, your ability to argue a point is incredibly poor.


Your posts are no more than poorly reasoned rubbish that you think is right for all the wrong nonsensical reasons.

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They are must better than your reasons my dear man. You haven't been able to convey in any single post a single reason why you believe Hamilton was at fault for Maldonado incident. All you've said is this is the way it should be because x y z. There have been images showing Hammy overtaking Schumacher and Maldonado incident alongside each other and no one has yet been able to show how Hamilton deserved to be penalised for it. Can you? Doubtful. You're happy to blame Lewis without opening your eyes because it suits you, not because it's actually fair.

Here's an example of your great contributions to this thread each one as **** as the next:

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Oh come on, Schumacher was alongside Rosberg and wasn't just sticking his nose in.

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Oh yeah, this is epic reasoning.

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I don't seem to remember the part of the sporting regulations that says "If Senna says it then it's part of the sporting regs"

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Another pointless contribution.
I could go on but I don't think I need to really. Go back to sleep baba.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

True enough, but Schumacher didn't NEED to let Hamilton through, Hamilton never would have made the apex if Schumacher had chosen the racing line. Schumacher got criticised for what happened with petrov in Turkey so he chose to let the position go and keep on going. Imagine if Schumacher had done the same as Maldonado, imagine the stink over that.......

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But that could be said of the majority of passes, not least the JB/LH battle in Turkey. The whole thing with passing is that you need to trust that the other person is going to spot you and allow space. As you rightly mention the Schumi/Petrov thing in Turkey is an example of where this hasn't happened, likewise I feel the same about Hamilton/Maldonado this weekend. If drivers are always going to aim for the racing line and not give space to a car up the inside then we're going to be back to a rather tedious sport.

Incidentally, would people still be as annoyed by the Maldonado move if Hamilton hadn't already been involved in so much chaos? I suspect that many would have been happier to label it a 'racing incident', I certainly suspect that the stewards would've.