The Ferrari thread !

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

Sad really because he could be so bloody fast at times.

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I watched the entire 2005 Japanese Grand Prix on youtube again fairly recently.

And I wondered where that fire has gone.

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

He spun 5 times at Silverstone last year not 7 and Hamilton spun 4 times this year. It happens to the best of them on occaison.

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http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?T...Allen&id=45624

It’s easy to be critical, as people were of Felipe Massa last year at Silverstone when he spun off seven times.

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Sorry but spinning off seven times in one race is hardly acceptable. That makes you a laughing stock, especially when you're a mobile chicane, fighting for WDC.

And to be fair to Lewis with most of his spins in China, he was his typical hot headed self trying to overtake and over doing it.

Yes, it happens to the best I remember Schumi aquaplaned off at the infamous river in Brazil 2003 but I hardly remember Schumi in an ill handling car making a fool of himself by spinning off left, right and centre on his own accord.

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Originally Posted by wedge

Crap comparisons.

Massa span off 7 times at Silverstone who was going nowhere except backwards which is amateur stuff compared to Alonso who was trying to keep up with Hamilton; even Raikkonen had a good excuse because he desperately wanted to win at Spa and being on the limit means your more vunerable to mistakes.

Oh and before calling me a Massa-hater (again) I completely agree with Jens. I'm constantly amazed how Massa is like good wine, improving better with age.

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Every driver has an off day. Even the greatest drivers had races where they embarrassed themselves. The Silverstone race is one of those days Massa would rather forget.

Hell we all have those days at work from time to time. I agree with your wine comment though, he is becoming a rather handy racer :up:

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Originally Posted by wedge

Sorry but spinning off seven times in one race is hardly acceptable. That makes you a laughing stock, especially when you're a mobile chicane, fighting for WDC.

And to be fair to Lewis with most of his spins in China, he was his typical hot headed self trying to overtake and over doing it.

Yes, it happens to the best I remember Schumi aquaplaned off at the infamous river in Brazil 2003 but I hardly remember Schumi in an ill handling car making a fool of himself by spinning off left, right and centre on his own accord.

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Man I wish I was perfect like you :laugh:

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

I dont know, when the #2 driver starts regulary beating the #1 driver the way Massa has for the last 14 months or so, it starts getting into your head.

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Maybe, but a Spanish bank willing to put zillions of dollars into your team maybe has something to do with it.

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Originally Posted by Malllen

I watched the entire 2005 Japanese Grand Prix on youtube again fairly recently.

And I wondered where that fire has gone.

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Err, wasn't that McLaren the fastest car in the field? It doesn't mean his "fire" has gone somewhere as F1 is largely car-dependant. Button and many other drivers have looked supreme in dominant cars as well. Doesn't mean they are worse in inferior cars or that their driving skills are unmatchable in a great car.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Man I wish I was perfect like you :laugh:

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No I'm not perfect but people like Schumi and Senna have set the standard.

When Schumi made mistakes it wasn't because he ran out of talent.

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Originally Posted by wedge

Crap comparisons.

Massa span off 7 times at Silverstone who was going nowhere except backwards which is amateur stuff compared to Alonso who was trying to keep up with Hamilton...

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And he hit the wall like a Piquet Jr. :rotflmao:
You're making up crap excuses to a crap performance! :wave:

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Man I wish I was perfect like you :laugh:

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:D :up:

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

He spun 5 times at Silverstone last year not 7 and Hamilton spun 4 times this year. It happens to the best of them on occaison.

Massa is a pleasant surprise. When they announced he was replacing Barrichello I was rather nonplussed. Fast forward 3 seasons and I'm looking forward to a Massa/Alonso lineup. Raikkonen has been a flash in the pan. He'll always have the respect of being a Ferrari world champion but his time at Maranello will end on a disappointing note. Sad really because he could be so bloody fast at times.

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At the end of 2007 I would have preferred Felipe and Kimi to continue the Ferrari partnership till they hang up the boots, now I'm not sure anymore.
And heck I even cheered for Kimi back in 2005 when he was driving a McLaren!