Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

Definitely not this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5UnPeyzcHM

Incidentally, no penalty was handed out.

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So if PDLR has a go at you and touches your car in the process you will have to yield your position?
Can you show me where did PDLR get the position ? he managed to get up to MS height, but was on the wrong line for the next turn, so he ran into the Ferrari.
Pedro might consider himself lucky he didn't get a penalty for that barging! :D

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

What's your definition of "give the position back cleanly"?

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

What's your definition of "give the position back cleanly"?

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Depends who is asking.

If it's Knock On then I don't think a McLaren can ever give position back cleanly and the driver should be shot because I'm biased like that :)

For anyone else who wants to listen I'd say it depends on the situation. If Lewis had braked and followed Kimi through the corner he would have been significantly further behind than he ended up after he cut the chicane. But of course the difficulty is in quantifying that sort of thing. but Lewis wasn't going to be getting the power down nearly as well as Kimi considering the entry he would have had to the corner.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Didn't it used to be the case that going over a white line just outside the outside kerbing at Paddock Hill Bend too many times at Brands Hatch was deemed worthy of a penalty?

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Good one!

The officials were saying they were going to come down hard on drivers crossing the white line. Nearly everyone was doing and the officials gave up!

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Originally Posted by wedge

Good one!

The officials were saying they were going to come down hard on drivers crossing the white line. Nearly everyone was doing and the officials gave up!

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Rather like the marker posts on the chicanes at Donington and Knockhill!

But we digress...

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Rather like the marker posts on the chicanes at Donington and Knockhill!

But we digress...

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Or cresting at Knockhill by Railway :laugh:

Couple of years ago, the Marshalls were getting really pi$$ed with the Seats :D

No doubt about it, they were doing it on purpose. I could practically see them aiming at them as they were replaced.

Anyway, back to the disgraceful way that F1 is governed.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Depends who is asking.

If it's Knock On then I don't think a McLaren can ever give position back cleanly and the driver should be shot because I'm biased like that :)

For anyone else who wants to listen I'd say it depends on the situation. If Lewis had braked and followed Kimi through the corner he would have been significantly further behind than he ended up after he cut the chicane. But of course the difficulty is in quantifying that sort of thing. but Lewis wasn't going to be getting the power down nearly as well as Kimi considering the entry he would have had to the corner.

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ok ok...But how can the stuwards justify there decision if it's only based on if's and when's ? when they say he took advantage ? what's it based on ?

and I still don't understand there's people on here saying he had a better momentum by cutting the chicane..when there's Kimi...coming from behind Lewis and passing him on the straight line ! But than I have been told I know nadah about motorsport ! *rolls eyes*

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

ok ok...But how can the stuwards justify there decision if it's only based on if's and when's ? when they say he took advantage ? what's it based on ?

and I still don't understand there's people on here saying he had a better momentum by cutting the chicane..when there's Kimi...coming from behind Lewis and passing him on the straight line ! But than I have been told I know nadah about motorsport ! *rolls eyes*

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Yes he let Kimi through. There's no doubt about that. But IF he had gone through the corner on the line he was on he would not have got the same amount of drive out of the corner. Unless you want to argue with the laws of physics you must surely agree with that.

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

ok ok...But how can the stuwards justify there decision if it's only based on if's and when's ? when they say he took advantage ? what's it based on ?

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Based on the data submitted by the teams.
Or did you think that the stewards decided it by watching the same images that we saw?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Yes he let Kimi through. There's no doubt about that. But IF he had gone through the corner on the line he was on he would not have got the same amount of drive out of the corner.

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So if Lewis had more momentum by cutting the chicane, what happened to that momentum when he slowed to let Kimi back through?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Yes he let Kimi through. There's no doubt about that. But IF he had gone through the corner on the line he was on he would not have got the same amount of drive out of the corner. Unless you want to argue with the laws of physics you must surely agree with that.

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how can you be so sure about that when one could clearly see for a couple of laps already Lewis had a way better grip on a track that was getting wet...Closing the gap in no time !

so my question still stands..what exactly is the stewards decission based on when they say he took advantage ?