If the stupid parking-stages and the shakedown in the ghetto of Strasbourg would be out, Alsace would be a great event in my opinion. :)
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If the stupid parking-stages and the shakedown in the ghetto of Strasbourg would be out, Alsace would be a great event in my opinion. :)
I've no problem with the stages, only with the location.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
For a world championship, what would be the reason to have 2 events in the same country (France), and two very close (France and Germany) ?
Well, I prefer to see Acropolis staying in WRC than Alsace, even if I'm French.
And I prefer to see WRC trying to go in another new country than staying two times in France. But that's only my point of view.
just read that Kosciuszko will do only three rounds this year with the Fiesta (Sardignia, Germany and Wales), + ERC Poland :(
Guess that goes to show you the price difference between a real WRC car and a MI Mini.Quote:
Originally Posted by vino_93
I note his picture shows Michelin shoes. I wonder if that is true - would also account for the reduction in events.
And leaves DMack with no WRC customers.
He and Prokop dropped Dmack some time ago.
Here some (bad) news about Citroen WRT:
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Citroen will finish in WRC. And it has nothing to do with the results this year...Quote:
Originally Posted by rallye-vid
Not so sure they would quit if they were dominating. But the real question is no Citroen, or no PSA for the next years.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Their exit is and was sure, also if they dominate... Second question is more important...Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
When?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
When KRONOS GO!!!!!! Were running the team?
It was planned at the end of 2013, but it should change, for sure...Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Canadian driver Leonid Urlichich will enter WRC in 2014 ! For the moment he is looking for a new experienced codriver, and then will have a 3 year plan in World Rally Championship.
His latest results : eWRC-results.com - profile Leonid Urlichich
Quote:
Originally Posted by vino_93
Dont get me wrong, I love "Crazy Leo" and I think he has one of the best attitudes in rallying, but there is going to be many WRC body shells that look like crushed tin foil balls in 2014 with urlichich on the side windows.
Although that article is badly translated, I couldn't see anything that explicitly says "CITROEN ARE LEAVING THE WRC!!"; only the prospect that they may be thinking about it.
The article also states Citroen are developing a new car and Matton raises the possibility of a two pronged approach in the WRC and WTCC. Or am I missing something?
Somehow in the English translation it says they are developing a new car, but they're not.
does anybody know when will they change the rules and regulations a.k.a the WRC car that exists from 2011 (from World Rally superminis too something better)????
What is that "something better"?
i don't something stronger or something like the cars the WRC used to have between 1997-2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Can You elaborate why do You consider them better? Of course they were better in certain areas but they were abandoned also for certain reasons.
Juho Hanninen linked to Citroen drive for Rally Finland - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com
Hanninen would seem a sensible choice. I don't understand why everybody keeps getting back to Atkinson, he has had some opportunities the last few months but didn't really impress.
what i ment to say was they were more exciting to watch and i now see they won't be comming back to it with all the financial trouble...
For me the current WRC cars are more exciting than the last 5-6 years of 2L WRCars, although not as exiting as the early WRCars. Anyway it seems that no homologation of updated cars will take place next year as we expected from the 3-year homologation window:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Volkswagen agrees to freeze development of WRC car - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com
if they would change the homoglation of the cars the sport will fall apart, they are in a very hard situation
You bring an interesting point there. I've noticed some people I know have stopped spectating in World Rally's when the 2.0l WRC were banned, they say the current cars are far less enjoyable to watch. I dont agree with that, in fact I think 1.6L WRC cars hold a certain appeal the old ones didn't. However with recent discussions about R5 moving to top category I'm afraid it will throw more people off the sport than in. For me it's no big deal, I even enjoy watching an simple Saxo if properly driven.
I agree with makinen_fan. First 2.0 WRC cars used to be crazy spectacular but those times are long over especially due to the suspension development. For me the last of those was the S12 being the only one among boring new generation of cars, especially Focus WRC 06-09 is for me the most boring WRC car ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
About the 1.6T WRC cars I would say I like them a lot on gravel or snow but on asphalt it's worse, there I prefer even S2000 cars. Anyway the spectator's view is only one part of the story...
i would like the cars to be more group b like that's all and if they can do it without pulling out of the sport it would be nice
Completely agree. Small cars appears to be more agile with 1.6l turbo than mid class 2.0l turboQuote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
What do You mean by "more gr.B"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Do You mean to have so free rules? Imagine that now even stupid R3 car would do same asphalt stage faster than those gr.B supercars thirty years a go. The difference is mostly in cornering speed due to suspension and tyre development, much better brakes etc. With same free rules modern gr.B cars would be incredibly dangerous because they would be way way faster even with same power. Not speaking about development and production cost at all...
Or do You mean cars which were spectacular mostly because of their terrible handling and suspension? That was indeed spectacular but You can't go back in time and bring thirty years old dampers, brakes, engines with huge slow accelerating turbos and other ancient stuff to modern sport. Those days can never return because the development moved on.
The gr.B era was and will stay forever a fascinating times of our sport but it ended tragically like it one day had to. Let's not forget that. Our sport is dangerous enough even with the "boring shopping bags".
I would love to see those terrible suspensions being used again in the top of the sport and have the best drivers to take those cars to the limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
What is more exciting to watch?
a) a Celica Gr A or Delta Intergrale driven to the limit and bouncing around and you can tell that in the next couple of bump the car will leave the road
b) or todays cars with the out-of-this-world suspension making everything appear so effortless and under control?
For me is the first, but unfortunately as Mirek says, we cant turn the clock back in technology development
The top drivers would cope with it, I'm sure. Look at recent drive of Hans Weijs Jr. with the Golf III Kit Car. Exactly like it used to be in the good old days ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
Hans Weijs Jr - full throttle | Rallye de Wallonie 2013 [HD] by JM - YouTube
For sure I prefer those bouncing gr.A cars ;) For me the most spectacular cars ever are those of late gr.A and early WRC years (including F2 Kit Cars).Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
what i was trying to say was this: in the same way Group B changed the WRC, with today's technology you can get more power from smaller engines and you can still make good looking exotic cars without the costs too high. but first you need to keep the manufacturers in the WRC and bring some more or else the sport will die, so for the time being as most of you said- the WRC can't change yet.
I am Happy with these WRC 1.6 T, much better to watch than the 2.0 WRC, specially on Gravel they are amazing...I t is impossible to go back, so i think in terms of cars the way is the correct. I hope that the R5 never become the Top of the rally cars, because i think they will be a very good choice for private drivers around the World like they are now, but if they, in the future, will be the "new wrc", the costs wil increase a lot...
I would be happier with just 2wd, whether front or rear (preferably), Kit cars were spectacular enough, but I understand times are different now, and of course Kit cars were far from perfect in many aspects.
also kitcars at gravel?Quote:
Originally Posted by Donney
Intresting trio, including one suprise. Atleast for me.. https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...33356556_o.jpg
We have seen experiments with 2WD as main category in some rally championship. And result was not good...Quote:
Originally Posted by Donney
It was the group B cars that got me back to rallying for “full time” again. In fact it was already the Audi Quattro that got my interest increasing although it was a group 4 car but the Audi S1 E2 was the one that gave me the final WOW. The beginning of the group A era’s cars was also boring but in the late 80s and beginning of the 90s it was a lot better. As Timo Salonen said during the 1987 Monte something like:
“These mopeds are boring and you have to kick the clutch in the up hills to have some revs from the engine”. :D
Imo it was the increasing boost that made 2.0 l WRC cars sound so boring having their peak torque and near peak power already on low revs. As it’s written here, page 20 (originally posted by makinen_fan):
“At the same time, mandatory 8500 rpm max engine speed has not had any real impact since, because of the effect of the restrictor, the current engine operates primarily within within the 5750 – 7250 rpm range. The high torque 2.0 litre engine was very close to its max power output all the way from 4000 to 7000 rpm.”
So Matton says Hanninen will drive AlQasimi's car in Finland...
Well this is awesome news if this happens!!Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
I think Al-Attiyah is not coming to Finland either, so will Qatar WRT lend that car for someone else?