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No you just wanted to minimise Loebs achievements as many times.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
No its not far.Loeb attacked at 2nd day,even he hadn t won any stage at 1st day.Ogier refused the fight even he had 2 days to show us how fast he is against the semiretired Loeb.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
But as many said,Loeb ruined the sport.
It may sound like that, but I only wanted to point out Ogier's achievments this year comparing to.... Loeb of course, who else ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I don't agree. Loeb had 2 stage victories - SS8 & 9 (second loop of 2nd day, after Ogier hit that trouble in SS7). On SS8 Ogier had puncture 7 km before end, before that he was attacking and was leading him. After that he didn't fight anymore because no spares left for SS9, and almost 30 seconds realistically are impossible to gain against Loeb for less than 100 kms left of the Rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
So tell us his achievements,because you confused me.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
I was reffering at 1st day,no stage wins,setup problems,not best tyre choice,too many driving errors as he said,but found the balls to attack with 17 sec difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
yes i know that Loeb as he found the right setup and right tyre choice with 2 spares into the car was faster 7 seconds at 3rd split(before handbrake blockage...) at stage 7 from Ogier with 1 spare tyre.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
So how you see Ogiers achievements?
Much better than Loebs last years, I don't know about his first, have to check.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Ogier had handbrake issues before the accident (and service). So who won SS7 after all? Ah yes, it was Ostberg, so Loeb was not in his best attack mode condition yet?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
really? and with handbrake issues he won 5 stages,but when handbrake issues appeared again lost 7 seconds at 3rd split in one stage?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
yes he didn t won 7th stage.But thats not our conversation,our conversation is ''Ogier achievements against Loeb''as you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
now you compare last years.Before some posts...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
so decide what do you want to compare.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Guys, continue your Loeb vs Ogier battle here: http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/...n-loeb-vs.html
I think I said enough. I'm not going to continue this discussion
Julien Ingrassia enjoyed his day in Greece today. Tomorrow, he'll be busier! ;)
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pitty you didn t explain us his achievements.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by tolis
Like you, dim! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
hope so mate!Quote:
Originally Posted by tolis
what's going to happen tomorrow guys?
I just leave that to the numbersQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
VW pre Acropolis testQuote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
I would love to know which members of the commission are in favor of putting that proposal forward ?? Why not three days of rally and then scissor, rock and paper to decide who won ?
What happened to the rumours I heard that current promoter (RedBull that is ) was planning to bring back the element of adventure to the rally? Or was this what they meant? I surely understood it very differently. :mark:
That "issue" has been explained by VW and it's not a faulty handbrake it's just how VW design it, Mikkelsen has redesigned one but VW wants to test it more before putting into Ogier's and Latvala's cars. So it sounds more like excuse if they have it from begging of the season than a real problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
stefan, dont waste your timeQuote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
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I cant recall RedBull ever talking about bringing back adventure and long distance rally, Jean Todt was the main supporter of this. Actually this is the first time that there are some proposition/plans by the 'saviours' (RedBull) of WRC are heard publicly. From what it seems, RedBull is not keen to invest for live coverage in the same manner as Eurosport does with ERC... Question is why did FIA chose them in the first place?
IMHO Matton's is view on how to provide live coverage is valid and certainly acceptable. Leave the rally as it now, and run the Power Stage as a standalone event just for the sake of live coverage and award some points, like Fafe sprint.
In the racecar engineering article they say VW uses pneumatic-operated clutch for handbrake turns while others use hydraulic one. The new VW one is electric one.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
Last summer I spoke with some JAS mechanic during Barum scrutineering. I was curious why their works Civic R3 isn't fit with the pneumatic gear-shift paddles they developed. He didn't speak much English but I understood they had big reliability issues with the system so they abandoned it. Maybe it's same case with VW...
That's what I find strange. Prior this season Mr. Ribeiro from Eurosport clearly said in autosport.cz interview that RedBull offered better package then Eurosport could afford but so far we have not seen anything special from RedBull media house regarding WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
Are you sure it is electric? Autosport reports that the started with a mechanical device (similar to the Fiesta system), now they run the pneumatic and Mikkelsen is running the hydraulic system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Volkswagen WRC team stands firm as drivers push over upgrades - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com
Another question that I am not sure how the regulations work. Isn't the handbrake part of the homologation of the whole car? Can they change systems as they like as the season goes?
Here on page 2 it's written VW homologated electric one prior Mexico but didn't use it there: http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/...2013-a-81.html
To be exact they write VW replaced bottle with pressed air by an electric driven pump. That seems to me like the system is still pneumatic only without a storage of pressed air.
I don't know how many VO's they can homologate per year but it's sure not many.
There is lot more than that as Mirek said. At some point in some cases it doesn't work at all (Latvala) or it is "stuck" when you pull it and blocks the wheels (Ogier).Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
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Originally Posted by Mirek
The electric motor is used to provide the pressure for the hydraulic system according to this:
Demaison admitted he was reluctant to run the hydraulic system.
"It's heavier, it's more complicated and it takes power from the engine to run an electrical motor," he said.
Doesn't current WRCars have any other hydraulic systems and hence they need a dedicated motor for that? The previous era of WRCs had all kind of hydraulic devices (gearbox, diffs etc) so such a motor would not be necessary.
Currently it's electro-pneumatic then. Wonder why it has to be complicated? What was wrong with an old-fashioned hydraulic handbrake? Like in the 70s and 80s.
Maybe I'm missing something.....
Damage control I guess - less power from the engineQuote:
Originally Posted by noel157
Good grief. This sport is in bigger trouble than I thought. Every rally is now a sprint event, with less stage miles than ever before - 14 stages in Argentina, 7 of which are repeats? The WRC is becoming a parody of its former self. The sport desperately needs change, but the exact opposite of the kind of proposals we are seeing. If we keep going like this, the WRC will be dead within a couple of years; it is most certainly on life support right now, and these kind of ideas are just another nail in the coffin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
Don't be so quick to judge. The Rally Argentina might have had just fourteen stages, but it was still run over 400km. The Ascochinga-Agua de Oro stage in particular was over 50km long, while Santa Rosa-Villa del Dique was 40km long and Amboy-Yacanto fell just short of 40km (by about 800m). That's by no means a sprint. If anything, Argentina has the kind of stages the sport should be pushing for.Quote:
Originally Posted by RAS007
Really? In the mid 1980's, Argentina was almost 1,200kms, that's 3 times longer than it is today. In the mid 90's, it was 600kms. If you think 400kms (actually 200kms run twice) isn't a sprint, then you have a very different idea of what rallying is than I do, but I think that has already been established. I'm out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
Does Eurosport 'invest' in Live though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I thought they only did Live when the Event Organiser was willing to spend the cash?
Handbrake is operated normal - like in every other rally car. So hydraulic, additional pump connected to lever which builds pressure in brake system and blocks rear wheels.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
The other thing is how power is "cut" from rear wheels when handbrake is used. As there is no center diff when you pull the handbrake without pressing the clutch all 4 wheels lock... so they made special system which disconnects power from rear wheels when handbrake is pulled. Usually it's hydraulically operated, but like VWs case shows it might be pneumatic or electro pneumatic...
Baltic biggest rally team ASRT planning to buy two R5 cars. And one of the fastest Baltic rally drivers Alexy Lukyanuk (ASRT team) next season probable will drive full ERC season.
Redbull is not the company that will give us nice tv coverage. On eurosport ERC is much much better.
i think that redbull is not very interested to put more effort in it. The viewers on tv is not enough for them. They rather give money to a guy which jumps of the moon in a parachute. So that every average joe sits for the tv following it. All they want is to sell the to expensive energy drink to the masses. Wrc coverage is not big enough for them to spend more money on.
My comment was about WRC promoter. If they offered to FIA considerably better package than Eurosport (that's what Eurosport admits) where is the result? For me the coverage of WRC this year is hardly any better than ERC. In the end for us it doesn't matter who pays the coverage but if there is some at all. Acores had live stages, Corsica will have them too. Nothing like that in WRC so where is the considerably better package?Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
For this year, fair comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
But one would assume that under the proposal to be discussed at the Commission (the new Power Stage) that the WRC Promoter is proposing to cover the last stage of each event live for TV - as NOS did in 2011.
Has Eurosport ever proposed such wide-ranging coverage off their own bat (as opposed to only doing it when organisers paid)?
But so far RedBull has no intention to do that either. They want to force a major change in order to commit showing live coverage. So, if this is the price to pay to have live coverage it is better not to have it at all or better to have Eurosport kind of coverage in selected events and where the organisers are happy to pay for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
The better package that Eurosport has already mentioned is probably associated with fees paid directly to the FIA and not the whole 'package' of how they will approach promoting WRC. Also it may worth considering that Eurosport probably would wanted to have its own people involved in the WRC, where RedBull use the majority (or maybe everyone that was involved with NOS, and that's why we do not see any kind of improvement in the 7-8 months that they were announced as the promoters. The only thing they have done is to include a section in their website for WRC under 'Off-road' (go figure out how relevant these people are with rallying) and just updated the video section of wrc.com. And now they propose these ridiculous changes... Sorry but Eurosport would be able to do much more for us, and FIA once again betray the sport probably in favour of money.