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Showdown auf Power-Stage*:: rallye-magazin.de They are just making fun of it now. Somebody must act...
I´d rather say: go back to the roots. Longer rallies, more stages, more endurance tests. Then the best cars and drivers will be shown. Maybe only 2WD?
Something similar to R5 but with a bigger restrictor could be good... A WRC-car costs way too much, and the 1.6T generation cars are even more expensive than the older 2.0T WRC cars, in contrary what they wanted us to believe... If you want longer rallies with more/longer stages (like the evolution we've seen the last few years before this year), you will need less expensive cars. Only 2WD isn't a real option I think. Some rally-enthusiasts among us would not mind, but to get the global attention you need something that is spectacular, and if possible at least as powerful as the current WRCars...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
This I could agree with:
- 50% of the points for the full rally except for the last loop of stages.
- 50% of the points for the last loop of stages (at least 100km or more without full service (flex-service ok) with the endurance aspect could be interesting) to have sunday-afternoon-exciting-broadcast. Everyone can start the last loop, even after abandon in the firs 'round'. If all stages of this loop are very short the one after the other, you could change from camera from one stage to the other and reverse with splits, ... and less chance of a dead moment. It could become something very interesting with tracking, youtube live, ... and 50% of points still to win!
However, I don't understand why they look at the format if they can't even manage to broadcast 15' of review on a lot more channels!
so we have a rally that driver ''A'' have won most of stages and has a difference of 1,02min from second driver ''B''Quote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
If the driver ''B'' win at power stage will be the driver to win the rally.
wtf?
Why not to try simple things first, let say change point's system for Power Stage and award top 10 drivers with points. Realistically only 4-5 top driver are capable of scoring PS points, some good but not top drivers finish rally in top 5 but have no chance to get any bonuses, let them fight for points and PS will be more interesting without shout out nonsense.
If they want show, they should put power stage as a SS 1 after qualifing. Also they should award it with 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 points. So all drivers just begin the rally and motivation for points is here.
I thought only politicians are idiots...
This idea is so stupid. We (rally fans) can't aprove and permit those guys kill our sport.
I think i'll make some nice t-shirt for the rally germany which says what i think about Capito :vader:
This is the only way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Maybe only 2WD?
2WD only worked and made sens a couple of years ago with JWRC and good cars like Citroen C2 or Suzuki Swift but only as the addition to the rally. I can't imagine myself following 2WD championship, I have seen some rallies in BRC and spectators are more interested in old WRC cars (running in national championship) than 2WD. Just waste of time.
Maybe something like that
http://i42.tinypic.com/1ibyhz.jpg
or something like "Capito, are you sure you know what RALLY means ?"
This looks interesting. But I think there shouldn't be Rally 2 in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaCo
I thought April Fools was last month.
SS1 will be the power stage in Rallye de France this year. It will be live on TV (as all the other stages thanks to Canal Plus :D See: there actually are people interested in broadcasting rally). Too bad it's a damn super special stage on a parking lot...Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
So, next year in France the winner of SS1 will be the winner of the rally! Then, he just has to cruise till the end! :D Stupid FIA...
They are doing everything to kill World Rally Championship... Not only this stupid ideas with power stage, but also with other things...Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Yeah, but on the bright side the TV audience on the PS will be doubled :D (sarcasm)Quote:
Originally Posted by tolis
I think the most positive thing we can take from the proposal is that the organisers are at least considering the future of the sport and the need to revitalise it, even if the proposal is not the greatest in the world. Part of the problem is that we've gone from the era of Loeb's dominance and appear to be jumping straight into a new era of dominance; in this case, Ogier's. My understanding is that one of the reasons why Ford pulled their factory funding for 2013, but allowed the Fiesta to be used was because they wanted to see what the WRC was like in an era without Loeb. If their drivers could compete, then they would reconsider funding a factory team in 2014. But with Ogier and Volkswagen rising to the top straight away, I can't see that they would be willing to re-fund the team.
Personally, I think the best way forward would be to model the power stage on the Fafe Rally Sprint: run it at the end of each day, with points awarded to the top three drivers (possibly top five if more manufacturers and teams commit to the sport). Offer additional points to the driver with the fastest aggregate time.
Yes, I agree with the point above about being grateful for there existing some recognition of the need for significant changes. But there's no doubt in my mind that this particular proposal would effectively ruin the sport as we know it. Time was when things like rallysprints were a nice, non-purist adjunct to a healthy sport. I never imagined we would see them assuming any level of importance.
To me, all this seems to be skirting around the most important problem: the need drastically to cut the cost of competing in the WRC.
You can NEVER cut costs while manufacturers or other wealthy players are directly involved. They will always spend all their budget no matter if the car is completely made of wood and nails and driven by pedals or if the rally is one day long.
You can, but with difficulty. Unless costs are cut, the sport in the form in which we know it will die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Agreed, but you can CONTAIN costs. R1 is the best thing out of the FIA for a while, maybe for a long time to come too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
That could really be good point. Giving a point to the overnight leader, then running an end-of-the-day Power Stage on Friday and Saturday too, but reducing the overall points at the end of the event... that would be good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
All that IMHO.
Acropolis and Sardegna in a Ford Fiesta RRC, Spain and Wales in a Ford Fiesta R5 for Bertelli!
The problem with the points system is that it's the "universal" system that the FIA uses. It was originally introduced in 2010, when the Formula 1 grid expanded to include 24 cars, and there was a need to award more points to more positions for the purposes of the championship. However, the WRC doesn't have enough cars to make it feasible. The series has half the number of entries of a Grand Prix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
How? The only possibility is to somehow limit budget of teams which is very difficult to control. Doing some mandatory financial audits as a part of sporting regulations is for me somewhat weird. However so far the actions were more pointed into simplifying technical rules but those failed for certain reason. Here another problem is that needs of manufacturers and privateers are completely different. For healthier sport cheaper for privateers I would prefer to get rid of homologations and let free space for alternative part suppliers etc. However that's something what manufacturers would never agree with.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
R1 might be good for one make cups supported by manufacturers but aside of them I can see no interest in these cars among competitors. For example here we have 50-150 cars in every event but the number of R1 cars in the whole country is less than 5. I think only 2 or 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonlint
Indeed, a new points system is needed in WRC. 25 and down to 1 it's not necessary at the moment in WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
I'm not sure why in 2014 they just couldn't start with covering each Power Stage at each event Live on TV as it was in 2011? build up to new concepts.
What were the complaints about that? No-one seemed to have many issues with that then?
Certainly all the drivers seemed to go 'balls to the wall' to win it. even with only 3 points on offer for the win.
Not all of them. In some events Loeb (for example) didn't want to bin its victory just for 3 points added. Ogier is another case though :DQuote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
He said that - at the start of the year, as did others - but was it true. He won lots of PS while leading the event.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Didn't come true in reality. The red mist still seemed to take over for all of them.
If I remember right Loeb was the one who took the most PS points last season.
which case you mean?Back off while he had 2 days remaining,the okto fight from Capito and the difference was 27 seconds?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Personally i prefere to fight all the rally than just a powerstage.
Given that resource restriction agreements and the like are very hard to enforce, I believe it has to come largely through a cheaper technical formula. Rallying today is beyond the point at which saying cost-cutting is impossible is a suitable get-out. Rising costs are, in my view, a significant factor in the decline of the sport both at national and international level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Piece of news about Pozzo's future. He would run in Australia too.
Gabriel Pozzo: Sólo pienso en manejar
I can't agree with You. Ten year s ago cars were filled with in that time hi-tech stuff such as hydraulic differentials and gearboxes, very sophisticated launch-control systems, inlet water injection, there was plenty of carbon, almost everything was purpose made. Now we have basically 80'-90' level of machinery with no central diffs at-all, no launch control, no hydraulic gearboxes, no carbon bodyshell panels, no titanium parts etc. Both differentials are simple clutch type. The only "hi-tech" stuff is the engine with direct injection but that is hardly something entirely new as petrol direct injection is in use in stock cars already since 1996 (Mitsubishi Carisma). In fact it was used already in Mercedes 300SL in 1955!Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
What more simple You want to invent? Fact is that current cars despite being technologically way more simple than previous ones are not cheaper. There is clear conclusion that You can't reduce costs by technical rules.
Fabia S2000 driveshaft costs 2000 Euro. How do You want to make it simpler so that it's cheaper? It's not the design what makes it so expensive. Engine rebuild of Fiesta WRC costs 35-40 thousand Euro, why?
LOEB: 19Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
SOLBERG:15
LATVALA: 14
HIRVONEN:13
SORDO: 5
etc,etc......
So, this year Ogier after 5 Rallies has 13 I believe
EDIT: Ops, No PS at Monte I forgot, so 11 - Saison WRC
No I meant only the above difference in PS points. As for the fight I too believe they should be all the Rally, but realistically Rally is far from these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii