I'm not British so I take your remark as a compliment for my English language skills. Either way, I haven't read about him paying for his seat so I didn't take it for a fact. It is a fair assumption though.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
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I'm not British so I take your remark as a compliment for my English language skills. Either way, I haven't read about him paying for his seat so I didn't take it for a fact. It is a fair assumption though.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Didn't I already reply this in another thread? Mads's Citroen even had Adapta stickers in Sweden. It's quite obvious he funds at least parts of his Citroen drives.
unfortunately it was the way of thinking (or not) that gave me a hint... who would pay ostberg to drive and why ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
Well, he is the only driver with new generation car experience that isn't already tied to another team. It could have been that Citroen realised that two cars are not enough. Long-term it would make more sense to get in a young gun, short-term Ostberg is the only real choice this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
But again, him paying does make more sense considering that Citroen looks to have written off the season before it started and are just looking for some event wins.
You win the argument. Feel free to gloom.
Edit: Feel free to be smug. See my English is not that good.
i am used to it kid... i do not celebrate anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
Way to claim not to be smug while implying the complete opposite. An unheard of piece of rhetoric. I stand in awe.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I followed the discussion on the 2018 Rally GB route here, but did not have a chance to read the actual Autosport article until now and has got to say I am firmly with the organisers here – what a missed opportunity it would be, if FIA does not agree to something along those lines. I think it would be a fantastic challenge for the drivers, who would presumably have to tackle it on used gravel tyres and obviously gravel suspension – I would absolutely relish the sight of full gravel spec cars on tarmac, which would remind me of what rallying used to be when I started following it more than 35 years ago. It will once again sort the men from the boys just as the night stages last year. And it will be worth the additional bonus points
Also, I see nothing wrong with bringing the sport to the people – once again, when rallying was the real deal, it didn’t just stay in the forest, it went everywhere, including towns, so when it is finally allowed to do so in the UK and the organisers want to maximise on this opportunity by doing it using the power stage, I think they should be applauded, not booed .
I vote “for”!
https://i2-prod.dailypost.co.uk/inco...landudno-3.jpg
How about they do it alike Spain and they make Sunday all tarmac stages with a longer service on Saturday night to change the car to asphalt spec? Mixed events are pretty interesting and if there's a full day of asphalt stages the power stage would still be representative of the rally.
I agree with Nick though, the guys wrestling gravel spec cars on asphalt also sounds like quite a spectacle.
Dear Nick, this stage used to be run before and there is nothing wrong about that. The point is that it's really strange to have a power stage which is by its character a complete opposite of the whole rally. It's a stage for which extra points are awarded therefore it shall at least follow the general idea of the event and not bring something completely different. Otherwise we may end with a competition for the most crazy idea for holding a power stage. Germany may be run on soft gravel or sand. Mexico may build a power stage in the city with 10 roundabouts to go around etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickRally
If You want to have a mixed event do it like they do in Catalunya or even better on Cyprus (especially IRC editions were great in this regard) but don't do that for one and only stage for which extra points are awarded.
i am used to that reaction as well kid... nothing new.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
If they want something like that it needs to take place in someone's park and branded as a "revenge of the stately homes" stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Anybody knows what is "ERJ" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
ERJ is the joker (in my underastanding it means erratum-joker). Erratum = a modification replacing previous one, i.e. not a variant but a fixed change meant to be mandatory for all users after a certain period of time. AFAIK VO (optional variants) don't require using jokers.
So, only lines with ERJ need a joker ? No joker for VO, VF, ER ?
I don't have the homologation rules therefore I can't say what can be homologated as ER, as VO or VF but I suppose that only ERJ requires use of joker.
In this document, we can see ER as joker ? https://www.rfeda.es/documents/20185...ulos%20Gr%20R5
Why does Ostberg always thank Citroen for his C3 WRC drives and hope they give him more, if he's paying anyway ?
Or is he only paying part and its a joint enterprise - Citroen has a low budget and Adapta has money ?
That's what I'm presuming. Otherwise he wouldn't have Abu Dhabi and Citroen livery on the car, it would look like his last year's car instead. Also, he wouldn't probably then score manufacturer points for the team. I think it's a win-win deal. Østberg gets a cheaper drive and Citroen gets cheaper manufacturer points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
It is easier to bring third car to European events than to Mexico... All logistics are made in advance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
Al-Qassimi drives in Argentina, so their long-haul setup must be three-car-ready. It's simple as that, Østberg (and especially Al-Qassimi) brings $$$ in, Breen does not.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Besides, they couldn't give Breen a third car for Corsica either, although it's their home event.
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
It's one thing to throw an extra car on a plane to an event, it's a different matter to have enough parts in the seafreight to service it...
We saw this already on the power stage of Mexico, and we'll get more in Argentina (Tanti - Mataderos), Portugal (Amarante), Sardegna (Castelsardo) and most likely Catalunya (Terra Alta).Quote:
Originally Posted by NickRally
Thanks, never saw this document. Maybe I'm wrong then.Quote:
Originally Posted by traxx
I cant agree - I find the big drawback of such stages (SSS or street stages) is how the cars look and handle on the asphalt when in gravel-spec.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickRally
They really dont look right, rolling and pitching on the tall, soft suspension and little gravel wheels.
I sort of figured it was sensationalist headlines in Motorsport News yesterday but it seems that this FIA stage snub could have a knock-on effect with the Welsh government when it comes to renewing their contract for Rally GB. Bad timing to anger the people putting the £££s in. Would be a bit short-sighted to throw away the rally over one shot down plan. But let's see.
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...over-gb-future
Are the FIA going to that bothered ? They have many other countries desperate to run a WRC event.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Its not worth losing Rally GB for the sake of this stage.
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...over-gb-future
"The event has moved right to the front of October for this season, which means real potential for great weather, big crowds and some amazing shots from the helicopter".
Ok! Now let's move rally Monte Carlo and Sweden to August so that I don't have to freeze my ass off in the cold!!! Who cares about the peculiarities that made of RAC an event (foggy and muddy weather)... we could have "some amazing shots from the helicopter" at the expense of this ever concerning sport... (sarcasm)
Playing Devil's advocate, here's a slightly controversial view; would the WRC be worse if there was no RallyGB? What does it offer the sport nowadays?
The sport of rallying is at a low ebb in the UK; with a BRC which is a shadow of it's former self, a WRC round centred on a small part of North Wales which receives poor national media coverage, and while in recent years we've seen healthy-ish crowds, the interest from the general motorsport fans is limited (going by the popular motorsport websites/ forums). I still think it's living on it's history - and as much as I enjoy going, it's become just another gravel event, rather than the epic challenge it was in the RAC days.
The organisers have relied on the Welsh money for far too long, it's not going to go on forever - maybe they should be more proactive trying to obtain backing from other sources - and dare one say, actually move the event somewhere else. Kielder & Yorkshire haven't had it for the best part of 20 years.......a crying shame.
The UK is still a big market to all the manufacturers involved, plus I would say WRGB is considered a 'legacy' event very much the same as RMC and Finland. I agree with what your saying about the event itself, looking at the route for the 1985, a 5 day event with more stage mileage in one day than the entire rally these days. The rally is very much a reflection of the modern wrc. The same stages used year in and year out with very little change.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
A big market, yet I can't recall the last time I saw any of them use their WRC efforts in any advertisement.Quote:
Originally Posted by L555MAT
In my opinion RallyGB needs the WRC far more than the WRC needs the event.
I can understand where the Welsh Govt is coming from in wanting 'more for their money' from WRGB.
The stages in the forests are great for rally drivers and fans but they dont show the best of Wales to any great extent as a tourist destination.
I remember some on this forum raving about photos of the cars on the Great Orme with great scenery of the coastline in the background. They were shocked and didnt realise how beautiful it is on the N.Wales coast.
The Welsh Govt want to show this to the world via WRGB.
Rally GB should have 5/6/7yrs in one place, then move to another place within the uk. Enough time to build on and progress an event, but not long enough in one area that it goes stale for fans and drivers.
North Wales/ South Wales, Yorkshire/kielder/, Scotland and Nothern Ireland could all put on events. Just a question of funding.
Go on the forums of Autosport, Pistonheads, TenTenths, Crash, etc it's even worse. BRC/ ERC get virtually no comments, and even the WRC only gets a handful of comments per WRC event.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd
Personally, when events are relying on Tourist board/ a regional assembly for backing, then you know there is a problem with a sport. Where is the big financial sponsorship?? There isn't really any, because the sport is hidden away.....
I think with forums it really depends. Tho if it's the main rally forum, then it's certainly a worrying sign.
E.g. here the F1 section seems to get nearly no traffic compared to the WRC section.
but in F1 there's nothing happening so what is there to talk about? They never get sideways, no gravel, no jumps..It could be primitive CGI and nobody could tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
Friday, 4 May 2018 at 9.30am has been set for the appeal by M-Sport regarding Rally Mexico WRC power stage points. It will take place in Paris. https://www.fia.com/news/internation...ing-may-4-2018
That would be great, but you answered yourself... where's the funding coming from ?Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
The Welsh Assembly have to be thanked for keeping the money coming for Rally GB as I dont see anywhere else in the UK even considering it.
It's basically the MSA/ IMS 'putting all their eggs in the Welsh Assembly basket' - everybody says it great, but is it? That nobody else seems interested is a pretty damning indictment on the sport. It won't go on forever, something else will come along and be favoured by the Welsh assembly (most likely an International cycle race) - and then the event will be up the creek without a paddle. Which is why the event should have been rotated around.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
'Should have been' only works if somewhere else was willing to put up the money. But yes, rallying in the UK is at a very low ebb, so low interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Other areas have found better ways to promote their tourism but Wales must find Rally GB useful as its been going for years now. I dont think many foreign tourists visiting the UK come to Wales compared to England and Scotland, so Visit Wales is getting some publicity from rallying. Plus its virtually their national sport after rugby ..
https://www.rallit.fi/wrc-tallipomo-...latysvalintaa/
Suninen could be dropped from Turkey if the team has no more chance to win the manufacturer's title at that point. Instead, they wanted him to drive as many rallies as possible on the beginning half of the season. Ogier's wins in Monte and Mexico encouraged Wilson to put Suninen in the third car for Argentina.