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Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
OUNINPOHJA*@jussinaarajarvi
Ouninpohja, Östberg stone @MadsOstberg @OfficialWRC @RallyFinland
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Definitely cleaner but not extreme like LoebQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
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Same place as SuninenQuote:
Originally Posted by HarriK
Something which just dawned up in me: the top 4 drivers of this rally all were not driving WRC cars last year. And Breen in 5th was only doing that part time.
Pretty special.
I wouldn't preduct even in my dreams that someone with just four appearances in the highest level already collects a victory in the WRC rally! And it doesen't matter if the rally is on his home yard! All main top WRC drivers have been driving those stages for ages....this result puts them in a bit "uncomfortable position". Again-well done Lappi!
Although for Esapekka&Juho the "sobering" will follow immediately on the German and Spanish tarmac. I put some chances for JML to be (without major retairements by Ogier, Sordo, Neuville, Meeke and Breen) in a fight for let say 4th or 5th position.....But, now it is time to celebrate.
This weekends greatest losers: Neuville, Sordo and Meeke. It hurts me watching last year's winner.....he is struggling with the C3's handling. I really hope for a "breakthrough" on tarmac.
Tänaks sideways jump from another angle https://twitter.com/mundorallys/stat...42395288735744
Last year's Rally Finland WRC2 top 3 was Lappi, Suninen and Evans and two stages before the finish this year we had the same overall top 3Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
This is quite interesting, thanks for posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
At 1:14 there is something unusual going on. By unusual, I mean not seen very often. Notice the rear wheel stop rotating and the car suddenly yaw to the left. Perfectly timed application of the brakes.
Steve seriously I know this sounds pedantic or something but it is very easy to mistake experience for brains...Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
I get sh!t on several US forums filled with kiddies who dream about their XR4Ti (2.3 turbo) Sierras, and their Volvo RWD cars and worst by wannabe Subie guys and many I know have never built a single engine, many never done a 1km of a Special Stage and they often say "You think you're so smart!! Whaaaaaaaaaaaa wha!"
I say "Not at all, although I know there are plaenty of people dumber than I am, I never have claimed to be smart. But even if I'm not particularly smart, I am analytical and I've been doing things like this for 40+ years....and even if you're not too smart, you are going to learn a good bit in 40 years if you are a little analytical.."
I had no doubts at all that an organisation under Tommi would be able to make 1st class rally cars....even if Tommi doesn't seem to be the brightest star in the sky because he has lots of experience at the highest levels.
He know his strengths and he knows the skills but more important the attitudes needed in the whole staff and fortunately a fair amount of the normal grunt work stuff demands skills and attitudes readily available in Finland:.
Grit and determination..
so yeah he could, but he doesn't need to..
.experience trumps brains
I enjoy your passion for the subject, but I was just making a joke because of Tommi's big head :DQuote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
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You do know people effectively use only 10% of their physical brain, right? Proportion doesn't matter much.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
I really didn't expect people to analyze my joke this much... Mustn't have been funny :(Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
The "joke" was that in Tommi Makinen's head there is a big brain, period. His mental capacity of experience or whatever was irrelevant, okay?
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Yeah I understand that, but still that 0.3% more than other's do some job better (some other probably not), don't You think?Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
apart from maybe two places(where suninen slides the car(a little )more than Lappi i really cannot extract from this video any kind of conclusions about their driving styles.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Are you sure about that? Nice myth that has been around for 100 years or so but...https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-their-brains/Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
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Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
OK I get you, its just there's so much BS yack and ironically so much Sh1t-talk for more than 10 years from some person who works in science who seems completely clueless about his total lack of real knowledge about anything connected with rally...and who clearly doesn't understand the role experience plays---since he has NOT ever had any experience..and despite his own evidence of 10+ years of his groundless opinions based on mouth and what he so conceited thinks is brain-power, he misses that giant error in his thinking: he has zero experience..
And if Tommi has a "big head" in any meaning, I say he earned the right.
Heja Tommi! Heja Toyota, and above all HEJA FINLAND!
Of course not. That's the official statement from whoever that is. 20 years ago it was 15% (IIRC), so are the people getting dumper, or the medicine (supposedly) getting more advance is anyone's guess. And on what basis they have even calculated that?!? As the article says it (the brain) is very complex thing, there are few parts of it (with different functions and purpose) interacting together with unknown influence over each other. How can one even put some correct numbers on it, when we're even uncertain of our own origin?!? Darwin's theory doesn't fit though....Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Only a little off topic--since we're talking about Tommi's brain and the remarkable results of the Toyotas----here's a fascinating essay on the brainand its function and where we --well those rich enough---may be going..Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_D...ry_of_Tomorrow
I know it's little off-topic, in-fact I don't underestimate Makinen's achievements, quite the opposite, perhaps there is only one certain forum member that does and we know who he is. I personally don't think the Japanese are "that stupid" to give him credit, quite the opposite. I'll give a look at that book, seems interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
A little on-topic - Yaris looks remarkably boring during the rally, but still really fast. It kind of reminds me of Makinen's performances in 90's. Coincidence?!?
Apologies if I've missed it, but I don't think anyone has mentioned that Emil Lindholm pushed Nil Solans off the road after he caught the latter on the stage, Solans having gone off on that now infamous corner on the Päijälä stage. That's how Solans ended up running through the stage with his boot open. Lindholm's onboard of it is featured in the official JWRC highlight video from 2m 45s onwards, but happens without comment : https://youtu.be/eIzEnewuNx8?t=2m45s
Great rally anyway. As much as anything else it's really promising for the future to have so many younger guys showing so much ability already. I feel that we could soon have a depth in quality Drivers/entrants at the top level of the WRC that we haven't seen since the early 2000s.
The only disappointing thing? Feels hard to believe, but there are only 4 rallies left!
You ever caught a slower car on a stage??? You MUST close up because of rock-spray or risk radiator or windscree or lights getting smashed...But if you close up to 1m or so it is a good chance you'll punt the guy off if they slow up..
The guy had just rolled, his SS is fawked, he must be aware if he's blocking other people and really should give way..
Interesting how easily the 2 cars simply rolled over with hardly any provocation... same cars, same prep, same corner, same lack of hitting anything, just Blooooop! over they went..
Wonder what the problem is?
Great video Ziggy but don't risk your life for it, especially on the outside of a side jump.Quote:
Originally Posted by ziggysony
Be careful out there.
Photos Neste Rally Finland 2017 26-30.7.2017:bounce:
https://samzon.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Neste+...te+Ralli+2017/
Suninen close call
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/2...-finland-2017/
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGDdEIcXYAAdQ2l.jpg
thumbs up from Vatanen to Suninen
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF_Sc54XoAAl_tE.jpg
it's amazing that he made it to the finish with so much small and less small off's.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site...ision_no_6.pdf
Tom Williams disqualified
http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site...ision_no_9.pdf
Jari Kihlman got 30 sec penalty for missing a chicane in Ouninpohja
No that's Tom Williams not Cave.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Thanks for noticing, I stand corrected. Actually I heard on the rally radio during the opening stage reports that Tom Williams was the first to retire, as their engine had broken down in the shakedown and they were getting a new engine for day 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by samWRC
WRC Neste Rally Finland - 2017 (with a hot moment for suninen)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dSMQHOQG3A
@Autosport
Hyundai's new WRC points leader Thierry Neuville defends his "clever" drive to a low-key sixth in Finland:
https://t.co/2J6u5OrHmy
Clever ? Yeah, right.
And not so 'clever' for the Manufacturer's championship was it Thierry...
Rally Finland winner Esapekka Lappi feared he had blown his maiden World Rally Championship victory with his penultimate stage mistake.
Defending a 42.2-second lead on Lempaa, Lappi was attempting to drive safely but a mistake born of that conservative approach nearly cost him.
“It’s not so easy to drive a car like this when you are not pushing,” said the Toyota driver.
“It’s not like the R5 car; the aero and the centre diff are not working so efficiently when you drive like this.
“I went into one corner a little bit early and it tightened, a rear tyre dropped off the road and it broke the rim.
“I wanted to kill myself at this moment. I really thought something was broken on the car.”
Lappi joked that he was “following Kris Meeke”, who had gone off through a car park on the final stage as he won in Mexico, and said he was still struggling to believe he had triumphed in only his fourth event in a World Rally Car.
https://www.motorsport-news.co.uk/ne...n-finland-win/
I agree that he was clever and mature.At a rally he was from the slower crews,he managed to gain plenty of points from Ogier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Lol, now Ogier should repeat Neuville's comments after Poland and be angry on Latvala/Østberg/Meeke "giving" points to Neuville.
Anyway for Germany running first or second doesn't matter 99% of the time, but for Spain it could be quite a disadvantage on friday.
Meeke at 4,25Quote:
Originally Posted by gianni123
situation will be more complex when they will reach GB and Australia,specially Australia with big role at road position.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Maybe the guy who will come as 2nd at Australia will have a big advantage.All these if they are close to points with no retirements for both of them at previous rallies.
Bunnings video
https://youtu.be/fC7vaXi47Fo
e-rally video
https://youtu.be/vWorFXAupW8