Could Ogier be excluded then? Surely if they've held his car for further scrutiny there's something wrong with it...?
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Could Ogier be excluded then? Surely if they've held his car for further scrutiny there's something wrong with it...?
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There are plenty of free promotion codes. Last year I think it was pretty much possible to watch the entire season for free because those bastards kept posting new free promo codes before each event.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arnold Triyudho Wardono
Gearbox is not part issue but one paper issue. No worry Ford fans.
I also find it strange that not one reporter or interviewer has asked Meeke why he didnt just take the win...
Colin Clark said on his vlog that if Meeke hadnt got the win that it didnt bear thinking about...
Because real reporting in the WRC almost doesn't exist. The Promoter makes sure that anything embarrassing or controversial is never, ever mentioned or asked about by anyone, at least in English.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
E.g. in Monte Carlo it was really clear that a spectator had been hit and was possibly dead. Spanish commentators were talking all about it. It was all over twitter. But Becs Williams and the English commentators were pretending nothing had happened. "Oh, yeah, the stage has been cancelled. We'll be going to stage 2 directly. Here's some music." Even in the highlights they spent literally three seconds acknowledging what had happened.
Or just watch the highlights of rally mexico:
Hardly a word said about the ridiculous situation and cancelling the first two stages.
No explanation really of why Sordo had 10 minutes of penalties, but they did show him being informed that he'd gotten the 10 minutes back! (Yay! Wait, what penalties? When? Why? Oh yeah, because of another big fuckup by the organizers you never heard about.)
Try to find the onboards from any Hyundai in stage 7, where they all had problems and there was a red flag (also not mentioned) because Sordo was stopped on stage and Tanak might crash into him. Those onboards have not been uploaded, despite WRC+ explicitly advertising at the beginning of the year that all onboards from every stage would go up.
Hell, if you even try to watch Tanak's onboard from that stage, you notice that the audio mysteriously cuts out a few seconds before the red flag so you can't hear their reaction.
Speaking of Tanak, no mention at all that he had a big crash during the recce due to oncoming traffic. If you didn't read this forum, you'd never have known about it.
Still no mention that there is a situation with the FIA investigating Ogier's gearbox.
Honestly, journalism in the WRC is almost a joke compared to F1. David Evans does an okay job, but that's like one article a week if you're lucky. Half the time you can't really understand what the article is about unless you've already heard rumors about whatever situation he casually brings up. Martin Holmes is good but very brief, and again, infrequent. If it weren't for forums like this one, and coverage by non-English media, most people would be totally in the dark.
Rant over, for now...
Second after the first two days of the Rally Mexico, Sébastien Ogier is more than thirty seconds behind the solid leader Kris Meeke (Citroën C3 WRC). At the end of the Saturday specials, the Frenchman of Ford Fiesta seemed slightly resigned.
"Meeke had a very good day, it was not possible for us to get him, and we were not ready to take all the risks to play the victory at all costs, It would still be a good result, Ogier assures the RTBF microphone, but honestly we tried it, we rode on a big pace, we did everything we could. Old, or we're missing a bit of performance somewhere for now, "he smiled bitterly," we'll have to try to work a little harder. "
The four-time world champion, who was forced to change his team after Volkswagen's withdrawal last November, has not yet found a spin in the final portion of the ES13. The perfect settings in his new car.
"In Sweden I already had a spin so it should not become a habit. It comes from the fact that I tried however to roll quickly in a slow portion downhill where the back of The car got a little more than I wanted, it was at 20 km / h but good, we did a spin, we had to turn around and lose 10-12 seconds I am sure that it is also linked to the fact that there is still a bit of work to make me feel perfectly at ease with the car. I would like to "plague it gently.
On Sunday, two last specials are to be traveled over 54.9 kilometers. Including power-stage.
"I'm going for a few points and if it could be 5, it would be fantastic, it's not the time to cut it all off either, but we'll have to try, Ogier promises. "It's not going to be easy to win this power-stage but I want to have a few points in spite of everything."
Since this year, the power-stage brings more points, what to increase the interest of this ultimate special?
"For me, the power-stage has always been something interesting and that I have taken into consideration, there are even more points this year so it increases the interest a little. Maybe in recent years, as there were only three drivers scoring points, there were some who said, 'Well, anyway, we're not going to be in the top 3 So it does not help. "Now, catching a top 5 ... most of the board can do it from time to time so clearly, it has brought a little more interest to the power-stage" concludes the Gapençais.
Matton: "It is reassuring to see that we are in the blow on the ground"
Citroën has something to satisfy. Strongly in the lead since Friday, Meeke should win in this 3rd event of the championship. Except for major problems, the protégé of Yves Matton should make forget the beginning of the difficult year of the brand to the rafters.
"It was a very good and very interesting day, and we saw the forces and the cars and the pilots on the ground." We had a frustrating start to the season with results that Did not really follow our expectations, but we worked a lot on the ground because the championship is above all a championship of land so it is reassuring to see that we are in the blow on this surface. , To fight with the other drivers throughout the weekend, it allows, after two quite complicated rallies, to recover well to the mental level "analysis Matton relieved to micro of the RTBF.
"The Tour de Corse will be an important event, it will be the first real asphalt event." Last year, Meeke showed himself to be very So it's a test on which we will have ambitions "continues Matton.
http://www.rtbf.be/sport/football/de...nce?id=9552131
Are you saying M-Sport documentation is wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
No
Could you be more detailed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Autosport.com: Sebastien Ogier could be excluded from Rally Mexico over gearbox
http://www.autosport.com/news/report...edium=facebook
There is a big difference between barely showing a competitor and not mentioning them at all! All they even had to do was mention the penalty at the start/finish of the show, you know, tell the story of the event. And while I'm moaning, what is going on with these boring/drawn out intros? Utterly pointless!Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Totally agree re Evans lack of coverage and the annoying long intros.
The official WRC tv shows havent improved at all in recent years and now they are actually getting worse. Even the new Red Bull TV shows are better and that's saying something !
Maybe it's intentional?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Doesn't sound like that according to the autosport article....Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
If it's an paper issue, I don't think they would seal it and fly it over to their HQ for checking it? Or am I wrong.. Probably will be nothing anyways
They wouldn't. However I find it strange it's just Ogier's gearbox that is possibly 'underweight'. Normally I'd have thought it would've been all the Msport cars if something like this was wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by mousti
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Exclusion bcs of too light rear sidewindows has occured in the past.
don't forget and 20 grams from 206 wrc flywheel
Hell, Mikko got a win taken from him for having a clutch that was actually heavier than the homologated part.
Would actually be a surprise if Ogier doesn't get excluded/ time penalties now
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Over the last few weeks I've been experimenting with various scripts for visualising WRC rally stage results, as well as automatically generating simple text summaries (these are very basic at the moment!)
The latest report - for the Mexico rally - is available as a reveal.js slideshow at https://psychemedia.github.io/WRC_sketches/
I'd be interested to know if folk on this thread find any of the visualisations particularly useful - or useless! - as well as any ideas for the sorts of feature anyone thinks a simple script may be able to detect and what sort of "robot journalist" copy might be automatically generated as a result... The charts are all openly licensed so feel free to embed them in this thread if you want to comment on any ones in particular.
Wow, that's really impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by psychemedia
Weights and measurements are like pregnancy tests, one cannot be slightly pregnantQuote:
Originally Posted by er88
Cool stuff, with the slideshow, a little nav screen may be useful to know whats up, down and sideways?Quote:
Originally Posted by psychemedia
I think the "SSX - stage split time, rank position" is potentially useful and interesting, maybe even for the drivers! nice work.
I've always found WRC.com reporting/journalism a bit like going out for a beer with your boss. He (or she) may have bad breath, body odor and severe flatulence but are you going to say anything? Are you going to mention the obvious? No, no point in biting the hand that feeds you. Shame really, but understandable. I do wish they would be more journalistic than they are otherwise they are just company representatives pushing the company line.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnybobiche
Not so strange if they had seen some cracks in it and made it strongerQuote:
Originally Posted by sonnybobiche
top 5 moments at Mexico ,including Ogiers spin.
https://youtu.be/rKeUv8hOvOI
I'm not so worried about wrc.com being tool for content marketing. It's logical and I don't expect to find news there.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
What I'm annoyed about is the level of rose-tinted reporting from the accrediated media whose paychecks should come elsewhere than teams and the series directly. They seem to seriously lack teeth in their writing, because - and this is my assumption - if they'd write on time and critically, they'd probably stopped been invited to places, etc. So normally, when shit hits the fan (sometimes literally!) they just keep quiet. And once the storm of negative response from fans in social media stops, they pick up the topic the next Monday and point out the fans are wrong, we were there, it looked right.
This lack of backbone and lack of desire to bring up hot topics in real time really sucks. OK, Mexico traffic jam happened at night for them, but much of their audience were up in Europe anxiously waiting for news. Even if they'd sat in the stuck truck themselves realizing damn we're not going to make it, they refrain from any posting to wait for official announcement. In cases like bad accidents it's absolutely better to show courtesy and wait for official news, but not everything must be retweeted from the official notice board.
WRC is a small and quiet world; apparently there’s no need for a full and independent coverage. WRC broadcasts looking Brits expatriate parties and Evans tabloid style news seems to be the best we can have…
Thank God (or whoever) there’s this Forum.
Interesting background there. Looks like the opening street stage was paid for by the government and may have been a stipulation for them to step in and help with the event funding. Matton implies the rally depended on it running. I guess the question is are they confident the event will be more financially stable next year?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Re Mexico City stage:Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
"If this stage didn't happen then the rally was cancelled - we have to think about that," said Citroen team principal Yves Matton.
Pity no-one knew this was the case beforehand. The criticism was made when we had no idea.
I use this forum as best source of info. Split times are the only thing that points my browser to wrc.com.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Speaking of which, I will consider WRC+ only when splits and GPS Tracking are working OK and non-stop.
Very well put, especially the 'rose-tinted reporting' and lack of criticism from reporters in case it stops them being invited.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
Its like my local radio journos who never ask our football club manager any difficult questions, apparently for the same reason... :rolleyes:
I am returning from vacations, in a while I will give my comments regarding this event from the perspective of a Mexican spectator
For the moment, what I can tell you is: Jesus Christ Kris :)
Well, if you think that their currency lost within a few months approximately 40% of its value. they get money from mexican sponsors and often have to pay many costs in USD or EUR, then it makes relatively big hole in budget. Imagine you have to find 1/3 of your rally budget in couple of weeks time. They did well!, really well!Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
First of all. SSSS (Super Street Special Stage) I do not know if super, by the way. This has several readings. One of them is innovation, something like the 50-mile special last year. This was handled by the Organization from the beginning, later various sources came up, mainly from local newspapers in Guanajuato complaining about having removed the start of the rally in the tunnels of that city
Because VW gave up the wonderful world of rallies, and that this was the main sponsor of Mexico for the date they had to look for financial alternatives in a short time. Organizers look for sponsorship from the capital of the country, the CDMX who in its tourist attraction scheme was able to finance this with fresh money even though it was 400 kilometers from the base of the Rally.
In my opinion, with so little time and without wanting to justify RallyMex, organizers of the event. This was done on the knees. Either because the CDMX did not leave them or because they did not have time to prepare it as it was due.
As a rally fan, it is very frustrating to be on the mountain (El Chocolate) and not see them pass in the morning.
RallyMex still has a contract until next year. They must work very hard to get sponsors and surely they are already doing so. If they come back to the CDMX, I hope they prepare it well, mainly, with more promotion and dissemination of the event. Many people here from my office told me that they went even when the event had already started and that they could see it without problems.
To be continued...
What a great rally to attend and what a way to finish the rally with Meeke!
Will post my experience and photos from the weekend.
When are we likely to hear about the verdict on Ogier's gearbox? Or will that be kept hush and swept under the carpet?
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