lol... no hope at all.
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lol... no hope at all.
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Originally Posted by Allyc85
Indeed, but please dont quote him.
Mr Not, Very occasionally you have something worthwhile to say, unfortunately when you dont you keep posting huge ammounts of what I regard as drivel. Happy Christmas to you and ta for instruction on how to block your posts :)
I think the point why they want to do 10 rounds and special premission from FIA is that they still want to develop the car. They want ro register as manufacturer (so that then they can update the car) but they are asking the possibility to miss long haul events.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
If I remember correctly the somewhere in the rules was a caluse that entering new manufacturer is allowed to do less events. I still remember when Citroen came with limited program and with real winning car.
Long distance events should add pretty big amount of the budget, because they need two more cars and one more set of tools etc.
i really cant understand your point here. why is not good that Mini will do 10 rounds, instead of nothing. the money spend to send cars to NZ and registering as a manuf in the championship can be spend more wisely on development, although I doubt there will be any development in the Minis next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
the sad part of the story is why the entered in the first place, and after spending so much time and effort to advertise the whole thing, now they just dont commit to the program.
because at the top level of anything i accept only professionalism... as a spectator when i go to an event i expect the entrants to be according to the event they compete in. I hate to see rich boys doing WRC events because they can (and some (put random insult here) spectators to be happy about it)...and when we talk about manufacturers i want to see dedication...Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
what will mini fight for in 10 rounds ??? they will most likely act like moving advertisments...
I really hope they land a deal with a sponsor and manage to do every round and have an adequate testing schedule as well.....otherwise good riddance. I want more Citroen mentality in the sport and not Suzuki one.....
if i want to see so-so solutions and tourists parading around i have many options here where i come from.
The WRC is not taken seriously because they allow all these tourist mentality people (drivers,teams ect) have a slice of THE BEST MOTORSPORT IN THE WORLD.
If you are happy about that..allow me not to.
You really are a total waste of skin.....Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
dedication!!!! we have slaved our guts out working every hour there is to keep the team going and you think were not dedicated..
its really easy to sit behind a keyboard spouting **** though isn't it
There´s no doubt individuals worked there a**** off.Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbaontour
But I think N.O.T. has a point. WRC is top level of rallying and anyone not in a position to do top efforts will not be seen as top or proffesional. I understand your angryness but tthe lack of support frpm BMW in the first place and no sponsors will make it look like more amateurish I´d say.
No doubt money affect ability to develop and test and without that (money, tests, developing) you will only play the second hand on the piano. Sorry but that´s it.
i do not agree with you people. what is wrong with approaching the sport with full dedication but limited funds. at least these people are doing what they can, at least offering us the spectators something more to watch. there is nothing wrong when such cars are driver as they are suppose to. i have been to wrc recently and i have witnessed the efforts of araujo and the other private minis and they were disgusting to watch. but sordo and meeke worth the time and effort to go to the stage. you cannot have a rally with just 4 rally cars.... because thats how many the serous win contenders are at the end of the day
if you are part of the mini rallying team (driver,mechanic ects) then that is not pointed towards you because you are just a pawn who got cheated like the rally fansQuote:
Originally Posted by bubbaontour
If you are part of the people supplying the money to the mini team then yes you are not dedicated and most of all you cheated a lot of fans who believed you were serious about the efford.
and yes it is very easy to sit behind the monitor and spout things....especially at people who give me every reason doing so...
I'm kinda disapointed with Mini, there were lots of promise and "Definites" from them and they get to the end of the season, and the definites turned into shadows-of a doubt. I am very surprised that after Sordo's podium finishes that they would even consider not entering, they clearly have something promising, why discard it?
Well, I can agree on that too, but most of all we want competition in the WRC. And we´ve have so far. Even from Mini. But going on with no money puts them on a second hand mission which doesn´t satify us who want top competition in the WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
Let´s hope they got support and be able to move forward like their competitors will do.
we differ in point of view then....As i said in the WRC we must have only the top professionals showcasing their skills/productsQuote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
the big picture is that motorsports are just very long advertising TV/live ads.... how would you feel going to a car show and all the big makes were showcasing their new models covered in dirt, with bumps on bonnets and big hairy men sitting on top of them....would you visit that show again ?? or you would say that was good because all the models "were just there"?
Put the big hairy men back in the ice cream and burger vans where they belong and give the model girls a bucket and sponge, clean the cars and make them earn their keep :DQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
You dont get that in formula 1 ;)
Maybe BMW don't want to commit until the Promoter issue is sorted?? The whole thing is a mess.....I must say, the FiA/Jean Todt have kept quiet on the Promoter role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
This time I totaly agree with N.O.T, we allready had Suzuki/Seat/Hyundai etc. Especialy with a company like BMW behind all this, it just seems unprofesional, and will have negative impact on the brand.
not looking good for Meeke, bloody gutted for him the whole thing has been a joke
A bad joke, Meeke deserved a drive more than 80% of the rest of the field.
Gutted for Kris and Paul and British rallying as well. There was starting to be a buzz amongst British and Irish fans that we had at long last someone again with genuine prospects of wins at the top level. I know it's a cruel commercial world out there where money rather than talent opens the door in many cases however what could be better for Mini's marketing department and their "heritage" than an Irish driver in a Mini on the Monte?
Hope the RAC MSA are shuffling around uncomfortably when they see drivers from countries with backing from their respective motorsport associations in works seats...
Very appropriate:
ever wonder what it would be like to have the girl you loved tell you shes leaving you to go work as a prostitute? #MotorsportCanBeDangerous
https://twitter.com/#!/krismeeke
I can't believe this. So Prodrive ditching Meeke in order to attract a paying driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
How can Mini not find the budget to operate as a works team?
They have:
- big parent company with an excellent financial position (BMW)
- prodrive is very proffessional with a good reputation
- a fast car (2 podiums in six rallies)
- the strong brand (Mini), great to sponsor Mini as it might be the most exciting car
I can't believe Vodafone or Red Bull does not want to sponsor this team.
Anyway, let's hope for at least some starts next year.
Maybe this is not the fault of Prodrive or Mini but the WRC promoter....
Prodrive:
Sordo & Campana will drive at MC @krismeeke still part of the MINI team and should drive during the year plus testing & development.
Ok, you are a guy with no idea about the co$t of things. Probably you think that high level of professionalism is free. Or probably, you think that professionalism is in proportion of money wasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Don't forget that you country is broken because trying to do something like a full WRC season with money for only half of the events.
If Mini as only money to 10 rounds, then let's see Mini in 10 rounds.
Your speach is out of time. That speach was valid in 2000 when we had six manufacturers, not when we have two and a half.
Merry Christhmas
Meeke didn't show much in WRC. With 2 podiums as Sordo he should also do 10 rallies in 2012.
To be fair, 6 rallies in 2011 doesn't exactly give one much of a chance to prove himself and the car's reliability let him down once or twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Love to see how good you'd be
Just laughable!Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
He was learning all the time, and beating Sordo on the power stage in Spain showed the speed he has got. He will be better than any "tourist" Mini chucks in the second seat!
Meeke has had many chances in the WRC in the last nearly 10 years, probably more than most and I feel this may have been his last one.
My only fear now that is if he does get a start in the Mini this year he will drive it at twelve tenths to prove how much better he is then Campana and not finish. He should look at getting some top 5 results and set up a proper drive in 2013.
Finally the 'solution' about Mini WRC Team confirms what i expected from last Rally GB where the funding problems were revealed: bad publicity for Mini brand and for BMW, at least in GB.
It's a real shame not to see Kris Meeke in Montecarlo and i think will be very difficult to see him in other rallies next year, he deserves a lot this seat.
I still think that it's a major BMW mistake not to save properly this program althought I understand that the main problem is coming from Prodrive who hasn't been able to find the proper budget and sponsors for the team.
I can remember two....Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCS14
I don't think that driving an old private car in one event could even be called like that.
Didn't say he's not good but the results are needed immideatly in the WRC at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allyc85
Erm, care to list those chances?Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCS14
Have you ever visited the planet earth......??? Unbelievable.....Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCS14
Many chances? What does that say about Sordo? He drove a championship-winning car for five years and failed to win one rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCS14
I remember a teammate he had that time, what was his name again... Right it was mr Loeb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Krogshöj
Its ok for Meeke as long as we get a replacement in the second mini....bring Al quassimy in....because all it matters is to see another mini on the stages....right ??
According to autosport.com Meeke has a contract with MBMW/Mini for 2012, so he still remains in the team, but only test and hopefully some drives in the 3rd Mini WRC. Campana will be official Mini WRC Team driver and Sordo's teammate for Monte Carlo, Germany, France and Spain.
Campana is a worthy replacement....he will fight with the s2000s and the lobotomised fans will have their mini on the stages ...GREAT. Al Quassimy would be better though...more sideways.
I hope Campana shows a bit more this season - a few years back I had high hopes for him. This is his last chance and he has his 4 strongest rallies to compete in in an official manufacturer team. I dont have the same view as you N.O.T - I can see him being one of the best of the 2nd group with Tanak, Ostberg, Henning, Wilson...which although doesn't impress you its still quite good!
Mixed feelings....
..... after Mini's good debut it's dissapointed to see that BWM (with it's financial results) not behind the team to run 2 cars during the full season (Sordo, Meeke)
..... the economical situation not good but still suprising that DR with his relationships and history can not find a big sponsor and balance the budget
..... end of 80's Lancia run on selected events as Toyota did, Prodrive started with Subaru with limited programs beginning of 90's, Mitsubishi and Makinen was many times one man show mid/end of 90's and that was somewhere normal (yes there was no such developed internet in that time to discuss about)- so FIA must come back to realities also and not asking from manufacturers full season if there is 2 manufacturer only and simply the budget not enough, also FIA who needs to make a step quickly in WRC promotion, what they are planning to do the WRC more attractive - MC is back good point but after I dont's see so much plans about the future .-
..... Sordo and Meeke ...both good enough to factory seats and sensless to fight on this