As I said I think it was rather cold and quick. Why not stop and discuss the race for a minute?
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As I said I think it was rather cold and quick. Why not stop and discuss the race for a minute?
Great post-race forum from the Beeb. EJ playing drums on The Chain and a momumental cheer for Murray Walker from the crowd at the concert.
It's brilliant, very laid back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
I've not watched any of Sky F1 so far, and if this standard keeps up I have no intention of doing so!
Oh I MISSED it! I had a strange feeling that that was going to happen today, and wanted to see how it would go down.Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
Your wish.....Quote:
Originally Posted by rjbetty
From both angles as Martin and David meet in a clash of Grid walks. Have to say Martin seemed more relaxed at seeing his old mate, while DC seemed keen not to acknowledge Sky.
Martin and David bump into each other on their grid walk - YouTube
Oh thank you! Yeah I noticed too. Martin was very chirpy. I would have expected Martin to be the grumpy one and DC to be warm and friendly. Yeah it would have been great to see them stop and chat a bit - the the BBC and Sky bosses would go mental I expect.Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
They have been and still are away from TV I assume very close friends, so you can't just put that aside because you are working for different companies.
As much as some around make out Sky to be the wrong direction for F1. Which it probably is (It would be best if it had stayed as it was last year on BBC), but the people working for Sky and BBC are all the same. I see cold attitudes on here sometimes towards Brundle and others on Sky. But really they are all members of the F1 family. And probably all get along well off screen. I like to think so anyway. As Brundle has know DC & EJ to long to let TV issues get in the way.
Yeah I agree. I don't hold anything against Brundle at all. The way I see it, he said he is passionate about making great TV. He was known to be very disappointed with the decisions last year and was probably unhappy with the BBC. From his point of view, Sky came to him offering a dedicated F1 channel, while it could be maybe rightly said that the BBC have not shown commitment to F1, even though they're going through hard times. So as a passionate broadcaster, I believe Brundle when he says his motives are that he wants to make great TV, and he didn't believe the BBC could offer him that. The offer of a dedicated F1 channel at Sky would have been too good to miss.
I believe the BBC and Bernie are the ones who sold out, not Brundle.
And yes, he is being paid £1M by sky, but I expect he sees that as a bonus. :)
Yeah I agree. I don't hold anything against Brundle at all. The way I see it, he said he is passionate about making great TV. He was known to be very disappointed with the decisions last year and was probably unhappy with the BBC. From his point of view, Sky came to him offering a dedicated F1 channel, while it could be maybe rightly said that the BBC have not shown commitment to F1, even though they're going through hard times. So as a passionate broadcaster, I believe Brundle when he says his motives are that he wants to make great TV, and he didn't believe the BBC could offer him that. The offer of a dedicated F1 channel at Sky would have been too good to miss.
I believe the BBC (though I sympathise with their situation so only apportion a little to them) and most of all Bernie are the ones who sold out, not Brundle.
And yes, he is being paid £1M by sky, but I expect he sees that as a bonus. :)
Aw a double post :(
There's no "supposed" about it - here's one small example of the difference in sound quality from the British GP. When Alonso got past Hamilton but the Brit almost pulled off the re-pass, the sound of the crowd going wild sounded incredible on Sky's coverage. Not quite the same as being there, obviously, but pretty awesome all the same. I watched the highlights later on the BBC and their stereo mixdown completely failed to capture the moment with anything like the realism. I wonder if it's the Joni Mitchell effect - you don't realise what you're missing until it's not there anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I can't fathom why the BBC don't use Dolby Digital. Their broadcast chain obviously supports it, and the sound quality from Centre Court yesterday was an example of how to get it perfectly right. FOM can obviously provide it as they do to Sky and many overseas broadcasters. I can only assume it's a cost saving matter but when you're shifting HD video halfway round the world I can't see that skimping on the audio makes much of a difference.
Pretty good figures for the BBC coverage considering it overlapped the Wimbledon final:
The tennis got an average of 11.4 million and a peak of 16.9 million at it's conclusion.Quote:
Between 1pm and 3.30pm an average of 3.2 million, a 19.1% share, caught Marc [sic] Webber beating Fernando Alonso at a rain-soaked Silverstone. A further 418,000 caught the Formula One on the BBC HD channel.
Source: Andy Murray Wimbledon final pulls in almost 17m viewers | Media | guardian.co.uk
The tennis will have helped. I'm sure a lot of people will have planned an afternoon in to catch the final and so tuned into the Grand Prix in the meantime.
There was wonderful documentary Gordon Murray documentary on BBC4 last night.
BBC iPlayer - How to Go Faster and Influence People: The Gordon Murray F1 Story
Depends - after one of the highlights races, the BBC crew were doing the Forum* and caught Martin leaving the circuit. After a visible "oh #### I'm stuck" moment, he relaxed for a couple of minutes and chatted on-camera (mentioning he was having dinner with DC afterward), until they let him go [ending, after he was gone, with a "I hear he's still working in broadcasting" from... I think it was DC, which was as close as they got to a direct Sky mention].Quote:
Originally Posted by rjbetty
*Which I hadn't even known they WERE doing - I found it by chance on the red button on the Monday night!
Any more news as to whether the BBC will be dropping it?
No and there likely won't be anything until over the winter.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy2k8
Consdering that there will be 22 races next season, and they have got the FA Cup back from 2014 / 15 season, I think they will
Do you think the extra 3 races will make a difference to the BBC?
Even though the BBC are excellent in sport, I have found even their live coverage this season a bit disappointing
They're (unsurprisingly) back down to 19 races now.
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/11/d ... -calendar/
19 is still too many, lose Bahrain, Singapore and USA and we are back to a reasonable level.
There Mark, I fixed that for you :arrows: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
It was a close run thing, I had to choose three ;)
Upon further consideration they should keep Bahrain it is a decent track, plus the Middle East deserves a race IMO. I think they should ditch Singapore, and Abu Dhabi, because I don't care for the tracks, and Korea because it doesn't draw a lot of fans, and I've read:
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"Public opinion in Korea was very much against continuously holding this event because of a huge deficit"
Korea is a terrible track, so yes, ditch it.
Monaco is a boring race as well.
Overall, what do you think of the tv coverage this season?
Awful, but then it's been a bad season.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy2k8
I would go for getting rid of Bahrain, UAE and India, but I get your point. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark
In which countries? I watch the UK and US at the same time, and I have to say that when these same (respectable British types were on SPEED in the early day THAT is what put F1back on the map for contemplative fans :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy2k8
I meant:
Couldn’t agree more with this part!Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy2k8
In which countries? I watch the UK and US broadcasts at the same time, and I have to say that when SPEEDTV brosdcast all F1 races on that TV channel it brought much more exposrure to F1 fans in the USA, and IMO is responsible to a large degree in the upturn in F1 awareness in the state.sQuote:
Originally Posted by tommy2k8
The problem with this season has been so many races. Can't realistically watch then all. So have to miss some. Missed some, might as well miss others. And it goes on.
Some of us can, and every practice! :sailor:
When was the last time you missed a race??Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alca-Tazizzle
I've missed a couple of wee-small-hours practice sessions this year, and watched one qualifying session on delay; other than that I've managed to see every session and race live despite having a small bellowing person to contend with. Mind you, I couldn't hear half of the commentary today as he's discovered that it's apparently fun to scream while playing the xylophone, so swings and roundabouts!
Will Suzy and the team be back next year? She said they would, but I'm not so sure - but don't let it become exclusive to Sky please!
In the long run, down the road, the BBC will be forced out of covering sport altogether but with regard to F1 in 2014 I think they will be back. Word would have been out by now if the BBC were to disappear. Whether it is less live and more highlights though remains to be seen, as its all about ratings and there has been little difference this year between those live and not live.
With this many races I'm finding that half live and half highlights is about enough to sustain my interest. It's frustrating sometimes to have to wait (and avoid results, although generally this is easier than you might think if you're careful) but I'm less bothered about the current situation than I thought I would be.
I would hope, though, that even if Sky were to gain exclusive live coverage some time down the road, free-to-air highlights would still be an option for somebody to pick up. As long as those highlights were broadcast reasonably soon after the event (as is the case now) and not a week later...
I'm a new father too and I'm not as lucky. I must admit though this season has been dire and my enthusiasm for watching every second has reduced a fair bit. Its rare I ever watch it live, but I've always been like that as GP's have a habit of being on in the day when I want to do things lol. I haven't watched a single practice session this season (can't see the point) and have found the most exciting part of the weekend to be qualifying. My only annoyance with the BBC this season was the US GP when they put the highlights on very late at night. I had no choice but to watch a stream that was on in the evening anyway. I suggest anybody here who is paying purely for Sky Go rather than the full package to think again. The streams I have seen appear to be far superior quality and more reliable in terms of signal strength. When I used to use my fathers Sky Go for the odd race it was always a fight to refresh it as the picture would freeze and pixelate badly. Considering how expensive it is, you'd think Sky would have sorted this out by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
I have to agree with a couple of others though, highlights are not bad and when we have a boring season, even 70 minute highlights are too long!!
Congrats Henners I didn't realise it had all happened.
Hope you and your other half are happy and all is going well.
Cheers mate :)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/25458397
Pretty much a case of "as you were" with regard to the BBC for 2014.