Fuel issue- No penalty for BMW/Williams- McLaren to appeal

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Why are we giving suggestions of how it might go on appeal when they have stated that they do not have proper evidence to find them in breach of the regulation ?
You can't appeal a decision that wasn't made .

I mean , it's interesting and all , but kind of irrelevent when you figure they couldn't show them to be breaking the rule .

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It's rather boring dealing with facts. Please edit your post to support some type of conspiracy theory. :laugh:

So far most of this thread is based on bias being shown for or against one team, yet ignoring the above stated fact.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

It's rather boring dealing with facts. Please edit your post to support some type of conspiracy theory. :laugh:

So far most of this thread is based on bias being shown for or against one team, yet ignoring the above stated fact.

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Damn , you're right .

OK , I'll go with it being Dave Richards behind all this .

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Originally Posted by F1boat

Well, after Mclaren pressed with appeal, I hope that on December 6th Max will ban them from next year.

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Whatever little respect I had left for RD, is all gone now :down: Suppose they win the WDC this way: what would their sponsors think? Can they put LH in the #1 car in an ad next year?



And as Hawkmoon said, why aren't the other teams appealling?

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

McLaren are claiming that they don't have anything against Raikkonen and Ferrari and admit they were beaten on the track. They claim that they don't have anything against BMW and Williams and aren't suggesting that the teams tried to cheat. They claim that the issue is "too important" not to appeal.

What a load of rubbish! There's only one reason for McLaren to appeal and that's to win the championship. It's their last and only hope to salvage something from this season. Why can't they just admit it? Everyone knows it. Why lie?

Question? Why aren't Red Bull, Toyota and Super Aguri appealing? They will gain points if the BMWs and Williams cars are DQ'd. It's because they have little to gain even with the points. They don't, however, feel that the issue is "too important" and needs clarification.

McLaren do have something to gain but for some reason don't want to admit it.

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Ron wants another trophy for his collection and his little plan of hiring a 2 time WDC and a wonderchild rookie didn't work, so he'll try the courts!

Seriously! The guy has problems! He makes me wish Paul Stoddart was back! ;)

Out of curiosity, I wonder how the other teams' fuel temperatures measured? Were they all on the low side, but just not lower than 10C? It would be interesting to find out more details. (Interesting, but not important, that is...)

If the appeal results in consistent method to check fuel temps for next season without any possibility of different interpretations, then I see it as a good thing.

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Originally Posted by janneppi

If the appeal results in consistent method to check fuel temps for next season without any possibility of different interpretations, then I see it as a good thing.

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Totally agree, but that's only the start, as posted elsewere, a new set of penalties needs to be drawn up and/or permament stewards at each race. Instead of the current system of deciding on a whim what the penalty might be.

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

McLaren are claiming that they don't have anything against Raikkonen and Ferrari and admit they were beaten on the track. They claim that they don't have anything against BMW and Williams and aren't suggesting that the teams tried to cheat. They claim that the issue is "too important" not to appeal.

What a load of rubbish! There's only one reason for McLaren to appeal and that's to win the championship. It's their last and only hope to salvage something from this season. Why can't they just admit it? Everyone knows it. Why lie?

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The response to that is if there has been a breach of the regulations then why should it be ignored?

Of course it would be an unsatisfactory end to the season if the championship were decided on this appeal, and no-one wants to see Kimi lose the title or Hamilton win it in this way, but it's not McLaren's fault that Williams & BMW appear to have gained an advantage by breaking a rule. Whether they had done so at the first or last race of the season should make no difference.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

The response to that is if there has been a breach of the regulations then why should it be ignored?

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Because their team or driver breached the regulations 2x the same week end, yet only one of the issues was addressed and it didn't result in a penalty against the said driver.

What do you think, why did the stewards say that they don't accept any complaint against lewis qualifying blocking against Kimi?!

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Originally Posted by janneppi

If the appeal results in consistent method to check fuel temps for next season without any possibility of different interpretations, then I see it as a good thing.

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They could ask for a clarification of the rules instead of an appeal! ;)
There's a subtle difference there! :p :

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

The response to that is if there has been a breach of the regulations then why should it be ignored?

Of course it would be an unsatisfactory end to the season if the championship were decided on this appeal, and no-one wants to see Kimi lose the title or Hamilton win it in this way, but it's not McLaren's fault that Williams & BMW appear to have gained an advantage by breaking a rule. Whether they had done so at the first or last race of the season should make no difference.

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It was investigated. For many hours after the event. After the stewards looked at it they decided that there wasn't enough reason to punish the teams.

McLaren are making out like BMW and Williams were found guilty and let off (a la the first Stepney-gate ruling). They were never found guilty, only investigated.