Is global warming/climate change a crock?

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Originally Posted by tinchote

"Most of the planet"? I find that really hard to believe. You want to tell me that there are detailed records of tornados and floodings from 100 years ago in - for example - all of the former USSR or in China?

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yeah... they were a lot more civilised and organised than you sem to think.

The key word you use is "believe". You have a belief, and, like a Johovah's Witness, you won't accept anything that might possibly contradict it.

I won't repeat myself again, I've said everything I have to say, and I'm out of this argument.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Exactly. But noooooooooo don't say that RaikkonenRules. The Eco-Nazi's will attack you. Just agree with them to shut them up. When the next ice age comes along they'll find a way to link it with stepladders or some other such rubbish and start outlawing stepladders.

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Daniel, I'm sorry, but you're starting to get silly again. It is not a question of 'eco-Nazis' or anything similar, no matter what the likes of Jeremy Clarkson and other right-wing columnists would have you believe.

Why do you think you know better than the many experts in the field who have concluded that global warming exists and is man-made? Go and ask one and find out whether they have taken natural phenomena into account when doing their calculations. You won't be able to work that out from doing a search on the internet and looking for another graph. And, if scientists are so unreliable, which other scientific conclusions are you going to question next?

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Originally Posted by CharlieJ

yeah... they were a lot more civilised and organised than you sem to think.

The key word you use is "believe". You have a belief, and, like a Johovah's Witness, you won't accept anything that might possibly contradict it.

I won't repeat myself again, I've said everything I have to say, and I'm out of this argument.

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Why accuse Tinchote of being "religious" in his belief that global warming doesn't exist when the same can be said for the opposite side of the argument?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Daniel, I'm sorry, but you're starting to get silly again. It is not a question of 'eco-Nazis' or anything similar, no matter what the likes of Jeremy Clarkson and other right-wing columnists would have you believe.

Why do you think you know better than the many experts in the field who have concluded that global warming exists and is man-made? Go and ask one and find out whether they have taken natural phenomena into account when doing their calculations. You won't be able to work that out from doing a search on the internet and looking for another graph. And, if scientists are so unreliable, which other scientific conclusions are you going to question next?

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Because it's true. No one wants to have a rational discussion with you when you say you don't believe. They simply say my big brother (lots of scientists) says you're wrong so ner ner ner.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Because it's true. No one wants to have a rational discussion with you when you say you don't believe. They simply say my big brother (lots of scientists) says you're wrong so ner ner ner.

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But their big brother probably knows far more than you do about this subject. With respect, all you've done is read the odd article and look at a few graphs.

And I ask you again — which other scientific judgments will you be questioning next, or are you happy to go along with all of them except this one?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Why accuse Tinchote of being "religious" in his belief that global warming doesn't exist when the same can be said for the opposite side of the argument?

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My views are based on rational balanced examination of the evidence, not "belief". GW is happening. Initially the evidence seemed to show that man is resposible for it; I'm absolutely prepared to accept that there is now evidence that there is a natural element to it, but to deny against all the evidence that GW exists at all is not rational or reasonable.

GW is going to happen whenever we go green or not because it is mostly natural. Even if it was all man-made we'll never get everyone to cut back on pollution. ;)

I wonder what's behind the rage of those who believe that climate change/global warming/environmental troubles is natural. How does it impact their personal life?

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Originally Posted by RaikkonenRules

Even if it was all man-made we'll never get everyone to cut back on pollution. ;)

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As Rollo already said, they will if the price of polluting starts chewing their wallet.

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Originally Posted by Erki

I wonder what's behind the rage of those who believe that climate change/global warming/environmental troubles is natural. How does it impact their personal life?

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I believe the fact that we are on an automotive forum may have something to do with it. I see the same in the aviation world — that a lot of people 'don't believe' in global warming. Coincidence? Don't think so.