The new FIA WRC-car concept 2017

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Originally Posted by Mirek

It was discussed previosuly in this thread (at least I hope it was in this one). Maybe You can find the discussion if You go back. I think it was Lundefaret who brought this idea. There are certainly valid points behind the idea but frankly I don't think it would make WRC cheaper. The carmakers have dedicated budget to spend and they spend it all no matter what the car regulations area. It's costly not because of technical regulations but because it is the pinacle of the sport.

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It was me, Lundafaret and some more people having that discussion and yeah, I more or less agree with you.

Plus you loose the connection with the grass roots of the sport where some pimple headed teen modifies his or her first ever car with a roll cage and some go fast bits and suddenly he or she is a rally driver.

The cost is more or less always what the team building the car has to spend. Sure, a spaceframe would be cheaper, but then you'll have so much money spent on dampers, engines and engine bits that those will be the expensive bits instead.

The budget is what it is and depends entirely on the following of the sport and how good a marketing tool the sport is perceived to be (and how much money the manuf. actually have to spend)!

We can see now that also the cost of the R5's are slowly creeping up with the Skoda being a bit over €200 000 despite efforts made to keep the costs down (the original Ford was something like €160 000) so development will always add costs where it is possible to develop.

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Originally Posted by itix

We can see now that also the cost of the R5's are slowly creeping up with the Skoda being a bit over €200 000 despite efforts made to keep the costs down (the original Ford was something like €160 000) so development will always add costs where it is possible to develop.

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Those values are underestimated. Used R5 cars are being sold around €200.000. Hard to believe that new cars can cost less than 250.000€.

But they do.

I think the regulations for R5 cars are the best possible at the moment. You can´t push the costs down, because something would go wrong. So now we have got something with same price as old S2000 cars but faster. Praying for more would be sin :) BTW. I have seen Koci driving Fiesta R5 right behind Melicharek with Fiesta WRC during spring Valasska rally and Koci was much more spectacular (and finally also faster) It was worth watching. So with good hands you can do anything. ;)

Top S2000 cars when on their peak were reasonably more expensive than R5 (I believe prices around 300 thousand Euros were not uncommon). The cost to run the two types of cars is not very different though.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

But they do.

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I can actually believe that. Used rally car market doesn't really work like a normal car market. The Skoda is new and hard to come by, so if someone sell one now that you can take to an event tomorrow, that is worth more than a new that you have to wait for.

I am pretty convinced that the price of a new one is not far off € 200 000 though and the trend is clear, the cost is creeping up. I think that R5 is the best regs we could possibly ask for and it is a shame that the new WRC -17 was not a form of R6 with a bit bigger Restrictor. That would have been better than going with center diffs and increased aerodynamics and other things that make the car go straight. A cheap sideways speed machine is probably what more or less everyone wish for!

new Skoda R5 "ready to win" package is 235k euros, Fiesta little bit less, similar PSA cars.

There are considerable differences between the price of a full options (gravel AND tarmac specs) R5 factory assembled car and the cost of the basic R5 kit (for just one type of road surface), that can be assembled in-house by the client. Either case, there are also taxes rates to be considered.

Currently, Peugeot 208 R5 Kit (tarmac OR gravel spec) costs 209.999€ (251.800€ with taxes). It's easy to understand that with the assembly cost and, if needed, the tarmac to gravel (or other way around) conversion kit, a new complete car bought from manus racing department will be very close to 300.000€ (VAT included).

The 208 kit price it's clearly mentioned on the order form (bon de commande): http://www.peugeotsport-store.com/do...id_rubrique=71

Sorry but no such thing like a kit exists with Fabia (Fiesta also only complete car I think). They sell only fully assembled cars and I know from several owners that the car cost them less than 250 thousand.

By the way since when do we speak about numbers with VAT?

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Sorry but no such thing like a kit exists with Fabia (Fiesta also only complete car I think). They sell only fully assembled cars and I know from several owners that the car cost them less than 250 thousand.
By the way since when do we speak about numbers with VAT?

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Let me guess, the price you've heard was 249.999€, right? And VAT, even if you get it back later, has to be paid, so it's better to sort all the numbers out.

It's true that Skoda and Msport only sells assembled cars, but from the 208 kit price it became clear that the price of a new R5 full spec car it's around 250.000€ (without taxes).