They ran it the entire 1999 season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
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They ran it the entire 1999 season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
Thanks, wasn't sure. Think it was before Dave Richards time there as well!Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
Hit the nail on the head here. It's not just Total, Abu Dhabi and Red Bull, it's the Ostberg's too with OneBet and PMI on the cars (for example Breen in Spain) and paying Citroen to run Mads' car. Yet one rally win all season – I'm baffled about the ROI for those partners.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Loeb's win in Catalunya probably got them more media time than any other victory in WRC in 2018.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomhlord
Well I think Meeke's car park excursion in Mexico is still one of the most memorable and often shown moment of the whole 2017 WRC season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
EDIT: Obviously I'm wrong because you were talking only about the 2018 season. In that case I think you're right.
Possibly the only time I've seen or heard anything rally related on British national news programme or radio broadcast, probably since Burns won the championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Don't even think Elfyns win at Wales rally GB made the national news, let alone a retired Frenchman winning a rally in Spain.
Yep, I remember Kris Meeke's drama/win being shown on BBC breakfast. Couldn't believe it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
Absolutely, and really positive stuff. But the sponsors aren't paying for just one rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Then get him in an R5 Fiesta!Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
They will do if it gets them enough coverage.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomhlord
Hence teams will do the entire WEC just to be able to run Le Mans.
ROI isn't as simple as just winning again and again; it can be about stories and exposure. The stories like Meeke's off or TiTanak can be worth just as much as some wins. We might think some endeavours like Kubica were a failure but in the markets of his sponsors that car and livery were a household name.
Same with the value in the nationality of certain drivers. Norbert Michelisz is arguably the most valuable driver in WTCC/TCR because anything he achieves is huge news in Hungary because he's the only high profile driver there.
Off topic somewhat, but those are all examples of how winning races/rallies isn't the only way to generate column inches.
Regarding those sponsors, Red Bull's logos are on lots of things, I'm surprised more energy brands aren't into sports like this and endurance racing, but I guess that's because the audience average age is a bit older.
Total have been involved in plenty of French motorsport and the whole sport owes a lot to their backing. They sponsor far lower profile racing than WRC and have a strategy of being associated with any type of motorsport anyone thinks of. I'm a biased case, but compared to the likes of Esso, Total's brand has become massively more prominent over the last 20 years, thanks partially to a wide level of exposure.
How about VERY silly season?
Probably been discussed before and means nothing, but from Monte Carlo Rally 2019 Rally Guide 1, page 3:
"There is every possibility that a new manufacturer will also be participating in the 2019 World Rally Championship. We will know more before the end of the year."
http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/201...Guide-1-GB.pdf
It's probably nothing and a misprint, but hey ho, seemed the right thread for it.
On a probably unrelated note, article about the Proton Iriz R5 being in WRC2 at Monte Carlo next Jan:
https://paultan.org/2018/10/19/proto...-januari-2019/
Porsche.
Which has been drastically reduced in recent years as the current regime at the top are not convienced of the return from motorsport. This is exactly why they are now sponsoring things such as Badminton!Quote:
Originally Posted by dodge33cymru
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/wrc/ar...t-eine-absage/
Is this the end of our hopes of Skoda being in top league?
I think this is just aa repeat of the already known fact that they won’t be joining in this rule periode (so until 2021).Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
In a way it's understandable that they don't want to use time and money on a car where they possibly would need to change a lot 1-2 years later.
On the other hand it often looks like their budget in WRC2 is not far from MSPORT or Citroen budget in WRC.
Maybe they like winning almost all events (like Volkswagens). In WRC that could be harder. It says that Toyota could be his rival. Are they working secretly on R5 project??
There's been some rumors about Yaris R5 and Mäkinen himself has said that it's something they'd like to offer to their customers in the future. In this story (from Feb 2018), Mäkinen says that there's a plan to kick off the project in autumn 2018, and that the "development" (probably meaning the testing) will start during spring 2019. Tommi would also want Hänninen to carry the duties of the main test driver in that project.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
https://www.rallit.fi/tommi-makinen-...uvassa-hommia/
If so, that’s disappointing. Officially, current cars will still have a second 3 years cycle (2020-22), even if it was talked it could be shorten to 2 in order to speed hybrids introduction. Maybe then it’ll be VW coming forward to the top league, leaving Skoda restrain to WRC2, once more.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
So why has Hyundai gone silent? Thought Dani Sordo confirmation was supposed to be out last week? Even Paddon has gone silent on the social media. I wonder if Hyundai is waiting for results from Australia from Mikleson to see if he earns that full time seat or shares with Dani. Just a thought!
Probably still negotiations undergoing. Huttunen's recent test also could be added in the mix...
Even maybe before Australia decision taken and negotiations including Mikkelsen to leave on beforehand? Just my own speculation.
I would say it's the other way around. Waiting how MSport turns out with Loeb, Greensmith, Evans, Breen and Paddon all getting mentioned.
Repeat with me:Quote:
Originally Posted by gouldy
MikkelsEn, MikkelsEn, MikkelsEn, MikkelsEn, MikkelsEn, MikkelsEn, MikkelsEn, MikkelsEn, MikkelsEn, MikkelsEn.
Why lot of people like calling him Mikkelson? haha
Anyways, I think that Hyundai is fully focused on winning the championship and it's not announcing big changes before the championship ends.
For sure any result from Mikkelsen in Australia will not change what he has done thruougout all the year.
Wouldn't Mikkelsen himself want to break his contract and leave. I mean the car and setup does not suit his style one bit. Paddon has clearly stated he wants a full drive....
This one is special - "Mikleson"Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
He can drive it fast on gravel, there is no doubt about that. But there's also the other side.Quote:
Originally Posted by racerx1979
From his view:
- car let him down 4 times this year (from 1st (2x), 3rd and 4th place), that's a lot
- car has never been competitive in Finland (not a single Hyundai podium, ever)
- he can't drive it fast on 3 tarmac rallies, changes are not getting made to the tarmac car and they only test minimal on tarmac
At this point it's probably better to stay in the contract as seemingly the only available seats are at Msport where Malcolm isn't really eager to pay salary to people and they are likely to fall behind in development in 2019.
Nowhere to go. Toyota/Makinen don't seem to rate him and have no space, and Citroen turned down the chance to sign him twice - end of 2016 and in 2017 when he was available. His only option is Msport but he'd be leaving a big salary at Hyundai, to go to a private team which will lack development (unless big money can be found - maybe Abu Dhabi)Quote:
Originally Posted by racerx1979
@M-SportLtd
Preparing the stars of the future... @GreensmithGus had an opportunity to test his skills behind the wheel of our top-specification Ford Fiesta WRC last month ⭐ #WRC #FordPerformance https://t.co/0lW2lTH9K8
What? Imho quite normal promo.
Hyundai will stay with Dani Sordo
According to Spanish March, Dani Sordo will stay in the Hyundai team for the 2019 season. Other teams have also expressed interest in the Spaniard. According to journalists, Citroën was eager to get Dani Sordo this summer. The heads of the French team met with the Spaniard, but no agreement was reached. Ott Tänak also asked the Toyota boss to hire Sordo for next season. In the end, neither of these two teams will win the Hyundai driver.
The Korean team does not want Dani Sordo to leave their ranks. During the German Rally, Hyundai began preliminary talks about the next season. According to "Marc", the manufacturer still has to agree with the driver on which raids the Spaniard will drive. One thing is certain: Dani Sordo will defend Hyundai's colors next year.
http://rallypl.com/hyundai-zatrzyma-...daniego-sordo/
Reckon Sordo could maybe end up doing 10 events next season if Paddon was to go to Msport. Huttunen could do Sweden, Finland, GB and Australia.
However that team isn't going to win the manufacturers unless Mikkelsen seriously ups his game.
How dare you talk about Mikkelsen like that. HE IS STILL LEARNING THE CAR!!
The Paddon to MSport story came out of NZ. I wouldn't put too much truck on that. Kiwi 'journalists' still believe in Santa citing Mummy as their reliable source.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Paddon will be at Hyundai next year with near full programme equal status as Mikkelsen.
Would Mr Nandan and Mr Penasse possibly do something like the following ?
14 rallies x 2 cars = 28 starts
28 + 2 rallies with an extra car = 30 starts
30 starts divided by 3 drivers = 10 starts each
While I get this is just a rumour I wonder when was that supposed to happen? Between Lappi deciding to leave ND Meeke signing? Or to replace someone?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Funny point about Sordo. He has same speed as last year (I'd even say a tiny bit slower (might be the car it self)).
The difference is that this year he didnt have a single technical issue, while last year he had plenty and this year he didn't start the rallies that he doesn't do well on.
are you a robot or do you have some kind of automatic-reply system every time Sordo/Paddon/Hyundai, Mikkelsen/slow and Tänak/Sardegna is mentioned?
every damn time the same damn story.
Sometimes I wonder if he works for Even?
What the fuck? Like seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
This is silly season, there is news about Sordo.
I talk about Sordo. When there were news about Lappi/Breen/Loeb etc I talked about them, every single time.
Just like 5-10 other people always write something when some news come, and just like they already did.
Meeke said in Keskisuomalainen (local newspaper in Jyväskylä) that he had offers from Hyundai, M-Sport and Toyota. He also likes TGR´s "Team Spirit" ;)