Neste Rally Finland 2017

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Originally Posted by mknight

Top speeds from the very long straight at 2:30 in:

All Hyundais: 188 km/h
Breen: 191 km/h
Hannien and Lappi: 196 ish

Only Ford I saw was Evans and the telemetry cut-off too early.

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If I remember corretly the measurements from Monte Carlo Toyotas had lowest top speed there. Interesting development.

By the way now I see that only one normal stage (except spectator ones) was won by non-Finnish driver Evans!

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Originally Posted by Mirek

By the way now I see that only one normal stage (except spectator ones) was won by non-Finnish driver Evans!

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and Tanak at power stage

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Originally Posted by dimviii

edit is it Evans best result?

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C'mon, there's only a few months from Argentina, he almost won that rally

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Originally Posted by Mirek

If I remember corretly the measurements from Monte Carlo Toyotas had lowest top speed there. Interesting development.

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New engine advance?

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

C'mon, there's only a few months from Argentina, he almost won that rally

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my bad forgot it!

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

New engine advance?

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Gearing.

ziggysony video
https://youtu.be/-RL9AMd6ro8

I compared the onboards from first PS pass, the section from 2:20 until they enter the forest, speeds out of the last proper corner are in (), doesn't look like they directly correlate. It's flat out with some small turns so it's not really just a measure of top speed, still there is some trend here, Toyota and Ford are one group Hyundai and Citroen the other.

T -Lat 199 (157)
F- Evans 198
F- Tanak 197 (160)
T- Lappi 197
T- Han 196 (162)
F- Sun 194
H- Pad 192
H- Sor 191
H- Neu 188 (161)
C- Bre 187 (159)
C- Mek 187

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Originally Posted by Mirek

He was second on Corsica 2015.

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And Argentina this year too
Edit: already answered, oops
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Originally Posted by Mirek

If I remember corretly the measurements from Monte Carlo Toyotas had lowest top speed there. Interesting development.

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They hit limiter very early in Monte. So it was just shorter gearing than others.

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Originally Posted by lnvs

They hit limiter very early in Monte. So it was just shorter gearing than others.

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Yes but usually too short gearing is used for a reason. Sometimes it's miscalculation but most of the time it's used to compensate worse engine performance.

They had best/similar top speeds with Fords already in Sweden.

Second pass same spot, a bit smaller differences but same trend. Hyundai even slower than Citroen.

F-Ev 201
T-Lat 199
T-Lap 197
T-Han 197
F-Tan 196
F-Ost 196
C-Bre 195
C-Mek 195
H-Neu 193
H-Pad 192

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Originally Posted by mknight

Second pass same spot, a bit smaller differences but same trend. Hyundai even slower than Citroen.

F-Ev 201
T-Lat 199
T-Lap 197
T-Han 197
F-Tan 196
F-Ost 196
C-Bre 195
C-Mek 195
H-Neu 193
H-Pad 192

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Hanninen's telemetry did go up to 200 on the long straight before the chicane. still, this doesn't say much other than at most setup differences.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

By the way now I see that only one normal stage (except spectator ones) was won by non-Finnish driver Evans!

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Well, Last stage was won by Tänak and I would say it was relatively normal stage :) .. There was a lot of spectators indeed;)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF_SUrKXkAMuQD1.jpg

including Veibys crash,which was huge!
https://youtu.be/kisACZaE5_s


Michelin video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZgZ...ure=youtu.be&a

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Originally Posted by bluuford

Well, Last stage was won by Tänak and I would say it was relatively normal stage :) .. There was a lot of spectators indeed;)

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I was already corrected by Dimitris ;)

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

Congrats to all top 4, pity for Latvala 2nd consecutive misfortune.

So why do you think Hyundai are not fast in Finland. Looks like their car is prepared well for any other surface but not these fast gravel with lot of big jumps. Could it be there is no fast enough driver for these during development phase? Neuville & Sordo were never fast here, probably Paddon was their best bet, but I don't know how much his input was decisive in car development. On shakedown it was clear the car doesn't handle jumps very well with nose lifting in the air. Could be they have more downforce at the back (or just more weight), which bodes well for more technical roads to get the maximum of the torque from corner exits, but the drivers must be careful with big jumps and taking them with more braking. Bigger downforce also increases the drag on the fast straights and that's another weak point, which was inclined by Neuville saying he has more confidence in the car when there was more grip at the second passes. Thoughts?

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Commentator was saying something about the Finnish roads that dont suit the Hyundai chassis. They have more of a crown and aren't so flat.

Too bad Hyundai didnt sort it out after all these years in the WRC and they could've taken advantage of Ogier & Tanak's poor result...

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SS24 Lempää top 3 jumps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtKFb1_oYck

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Commentator was saying something about the Finnish roads that dont suit the Hyundai chassis. They have more of a crown and aren't so flat.

Too bad Hyundai didnt sort it out after all these years in the WRC and they could've taken advantage of Ogier & Tanak's poor result...

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"Sorting it out" in this case would mean only one thing - to make the car slower in all other rallies.

Toyota reached its peak in home rally but here comes two tarmac rallies and twisty OZ... Hold your horses 'til the late autumn mates. http://image.aimoo.com/emoticons/16f...0111492151.gif

https://youtu.be/AvElnDrYdMA

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GHrallyemotion video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N15V...ature=youtu.be

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Originally Posted by dimviii

including Veibys crash,which was huge!
https://youtu.be/kisACZaE5_s

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Wow... thats one spectacular way to go off... Glad both of them are ok.
Too much speed before the corner and you're out.

My video from Rally Finland with the podium ceremony! A bit rusty since i haven't done anything since Rally Sweden and maybe too much energy drink causing some shaking, but hopefully you will enjoy it anyway! :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKKMHH7LZD8

Lappi is the first non Jouhki-mafia finn after Grönholm to win a WRC-rally. Well done!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RL9AMd6ro8
My video from a fantastic Rally Finland 201 .high speed,jumps,powerdrifts&show enjoy the rollercoaster*

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Originally Posted by ziggysony

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RL9AMd6ro8
My video from a fantastic Rally Finland 201 .high speed,jumps,powerdrifts&show enjoy the rollercoaster*

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already posted,nice video btw.

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Originally Posted by COD

Lappi is the first non Jouhki-mafia finn after Grönholm to win a WRC-rally. Well done!

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different mafia family though.

Also bear in mind the result for Elfyn Evans given the lack of a pre-event test.

Brilliant 2nd place. :cool:

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Originally Posted by A FONDO

"Sorting it out" in this case would mean only one thing - to make the car slower in all other rallies.

Toyota reached its peak in home rally but here comes two tarmac rallies and twisty OZ... Hold your horses 'til the late autumn mates. http://image.aimoo.com/emoticons/16f...0111492151.gif

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The other teams seem to manage to cope here as well.

It could be the difference in the Championship.

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Also bear in mind the result for Elfyn Evans given the lack of a pre-event test.

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Therefore his problems on Friday. Later he seemed to sort them out.

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Commentator was saying something about the Finnish roads that dont suit the Hyundai chassis. They have more of a crown and aren't so flat.

Too bad Hyundai didnt sort it out after all these years in the WRC and they could've taken advantage of Ogier & Tanak's poor result...

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What they were saying is that the road in Finland has a camber to it, meaning the profile looks like this ^ , higher in the middle and lower at the sides.

While that is true I wonder how that can be hurting only Hyundai.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT0HwMtZ02Y

Toyota Gazoo Racing- Neste Rally Finland 2017

Gorban off
https://youtu.be/jKkqzLZRK5M

It was an absolute treat to finally see the new cars live. WOW. And TGR... what can you say... Tommi has built something incredible with his team. Latvala's Saturday (while it lasted) was something not seen too often, absolutely beautiful. Lappi's perfomance truly was one for the ages and Hänninen finally managed to keep it more or less together all the way. Ofcourse Toyota 1-2 would've been even better, but still... 1-3 is not that bad either. And to have three Finns in top 4 (without even mentioning JML)... sorry guys, but we're gonna take back what's ours and rule it for a long long time.

Suninen vs Lappi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqw8xV9btLs

Lappi has less flamboyant style,more Loebish style I would say.