74th PZM Rally Poland

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2nd July 2017, 18:31
noel157

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Originally Posted by dimviii

Tanak crash with better view
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/2...ss21-paprotki/

A little unfortunate to get thrown into the 2nd tree, otherwise.......
2nd July 2017, 18:32
dimviii

Michelin video
https://youtu.be/NU0fOPzW0e4
2nd July 2017, 18:54
Simmi

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoostSchouten

What a rally it was, sometimes very difficult to spectate, but most of the time a pure boost of adrenaline watching the 2017 WRCs on the best stages of the world. Really enjoyed this one!

Watch all the highlights of our rally in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqBt2jE3uys
http://i66.tinypic.com/2cgoja0.jpg

Thanks Joost. I would be interested to hear some of your experiences from spectating - and what made it difficult. Great vid.
2nd July 2017, 18:58
EstWRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by noel157

A little unfortunate to get thrown into the 2nd tree, otherwise.......

agreed, i think without the watersplash he would have gotten away

better quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJT_N37YssE
2nd July 2017, 19:11
BigWorm

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

He´s better in tactics than you are. :)

It's good for his championship but still surprising.
2nd July 2017, 19:28
steve.mandzij

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

agreed, i think without the watersplash he would have gotten away

better quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJT_N37YssE

It looked to me like the entry was really out of line.

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2nd July 2017, 19:33
mknight

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Originally Posted by steve.mandzij

It looked to me like the entry was really out of line.

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Missjudged the braking, exactly like MIkkelsen. But AM choose to go straight and loose a lot of time. Tanak would prbly as well if he wasnt fighting for win.
2nd July 2017, 19:41
krzaki

Does anybody know what technical problems had Latvala?
2nd July 2017, 19:42
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve.mandzij

It looked to me like the entry was really out of line.Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

He was, but from the onboard it seemed like trying to avoid a watersplash, he did but the speed was too high already.
2nd July 2017, 19:49
Rally Power

Epic rally! Huge congrats to Neuville/Gilsoul and Hyundai, they’re showing to be the strongest combination in this year championship.

Also huge congrats to Tanak; that small mistake doesn’t fade his fast, brave and spectacular driving. Latvala deserved better and Suninen made a heck of a debut; Veiby was brilliant in WRC2, just like Solans in JWRC. Congrats to them all.
2nd July 2017, 19:50
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by krzaki

Does anybody know what technical problems had Latvala?

they didn't said what problem was at Toyota press release.
2nd July 2017, 20:21
onemanband

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Originally Posted by itix

Great rally from the sporting perspective with many close battles and excitement all the way through. Poor Tänak to suffer from the polish syndrome 2nd year in a row.

Horrible rally from a safety perspective. Even the south european and south/north american rounds look safe and well managed in comparison. I'd be surprised to see it back on the calendar. With all the rally enthusiasm there is in Poland, you'd expect the marshals wanting to do a good job as to keep the round in the WRC but you get the sense they couldn't care less about the task that was given them.

I think basically 70% of the marshals had good viewing points chosen out beforehand and left their jobs as soon as the stage begun.
2nd July 2017, 20:34
dimviii

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2017/phot.../lum_30967.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2017/phot.../lum_06366.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2017/phot.../lum_08740.jpg

https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/36431-orlen...land-2017/205/
2nd July 2017, 21:40
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by stefanvv

He was, but from the onboard it seemed like trying to avoid a watersplash, he did but the speed was too high already.

I just watched Neuville onboard from SS21 when sees this corner 20 m ahead his reaction is "Ou la-la".
2nd July 2017, 22:26
itix

Quote:

Originally Posted by onemanband

I think basically 70% of the marshals had good viewing points chosen out beforehand and left their jobs as soon as the stage begun.

The guy with the fire truck was epic... "Oh, here comes a fire truck when the stage is running, I'll just wave my hand a little... He didn't stop... Oh whatever"
2nd July 2017, 22:31
bluuford

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

agreed, i think without the watersplash he would have gotten away

better quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJT_N37YssE

If you look at the entry into the watersplash, you can see that one part of front left aeradynamics is badly hanging off. I am just wondering how much such thing affects handling into such a fast corner?
2nd July 2017, 22:34
itix

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Originally Posted by BigWorm

I still expected Tidemand to win here.

Me too. Either Vieby is quick or Tidemand is slow.
2nd July 2017, 22:42
SubaruNorway

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Originally Posted by krzaki

Does anybody know what technical problems had Latvala?

Seemed like the throttle stuck on braking into the junction and then something in the transmission broke when he released the clutch on the rev limiter to try and stall it
2nd July 2017, 22:45
steve.mandzij

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Originally Posted by itix

Me too. Either Vieby is quick or Tidemand is slow.

Is Tidemand actually good? Even though he's won four events he's never faced too stiff of a competition. With Veiby now beating him and Mikkelsen having nearly won in Portugal I slightly doubt how good he really is.

Also, moving on to JWRC, how good is Solans really? Hats off to him for winning all events so far, but could it be that his competition isn't very stiff at all?

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2nd July 2017, 22:54
mknight

I am still puzzled by the starting order for PS (Breen-Hanninen-Mikkelsen-Latvala(rally2)-Evans). Double-checking in Portugal it was (Paddon (rally2) - Meeke (rally 2) - Al Quasimi - Lefebvre ... ).

Just can't find any explanation and nobody seems to care. Latvala jumped Tanak in the standings due to the powerstage win. I'd say he probably wouldn't be able to win it from first place on the road.

If his starting position was correct, then why was it different in Portugal.
2nd July 2017, 23:34
steve.mandzij

Quote:

Originally Posted by mknight

I am still puzzled by the starting order for PS (Breen-Hanninen-Mikkelsen-Latvala(rally2)-Evans). Double-checking in Portugal it was (Paddon (rally2) - Meeke (rally 2) - Al Quasimi - Lefebvre ... ).

Just can't find any explanation and nobody seems to care. Latvala jumped Tanak in the standings due to the powerstage win. I'd say he probably wouldn't be able to win it from first place on the road.

If his starting position was correct, then why was it different in Portugal.

I don't see the mistake?

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2nd July 2017, 23:37
PLuto

Quote:

Originally Posted by mknight

I am still puzzled by the starting order for PS (Breen-Hanninen-Mikkelsen-Latvala(rally2)-Evans). Double-checking in Portugal it was (Paddon (rally2) - Meeke (rally 2) - Al Quasimi - Lefebvre ... ).

Just can't find any explanation and nobody seems to care. Latvala jumped Tanak in the standings due to the powerstage win. I'd say he probably wouldn't be able to win it from first place on the road.

If his starting position was correct, then why was it different in Portugal.

There is no rule for power stage starting order. Everything is on promoter.
3rd July 2017, 00:01
itix

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve.mandzij

Is Tidemand actually good? Even though he's won four events he's never faced too stiff of a competition. With Veiby now beating him and Mikkelsen having nearly won in Portugal I slightly doubt how good he really is.

Also, moving on to JWRC, how good is Solans really? Hats off to him for winning all events so far, but could it be that his competition isn't very stiff at all?

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Well he isn't slow by wrc2 standards. He is beaten on individual events by some drivers like for instance Kopecky and Mikkelsen but he is consistently faster than Camili who competed in the WRC. He is very consistent, Finland last year being an exception.

These things are also hard to tell because Kopecky is a tarmac specialist and a pretty good gravel driver, Mikkelsen is definitely a world class driver and the national round he did in Cz there were many national drivers with experience of the conditions and the event.

In my opinion he has at best the chance to become another Sordo. One who bags points for the team but never really does anything heroic. At worst, another back of the pack finisher at every event.

...But you never know with these kind of things. No one really expected Breen to be quick.
3rd July 2017, 00:32
noel157

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

Rallying is firstly about finishing, secondly about speed.

Straight out of the Mathew Wilson School of Rallying handbook. Much prefer Ott Tanak's philosophy - "To win you have to drive hard".
I'm with Ott.
3rd July 2017, 01:10
GravelBen

I always remember the old saying... to finish first, first you have to finish.

Being Finnish often seems to help too.
3rd July 2017, 01:19
EstWRC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eYJQSKHGVA

this one is with very good places
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W1xleHtU2U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX_0510I48g
3rd July 2017, 06:40
A FONDO

Quote:

Originally Posted by stefanvv

I just watched Neuville onboard from SS21 when sees this corner 20 m ahead his reaction is "Ou la-la".

Where you watched it?
3rd July 2017, 07:16
Munkvy

Interesting that Ogier can behave like this and only get a fine:

http://www.rajdpolski.pl/pliki/zawod...ision_no_2.pdf

Didn't people also mention him speeding between stages at some point?
3rd July 2017, 07:45
Mintexmemory

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Originally Posted by itix

...But you never know with these kind of things. No one really expected Breen to be quick.

Wrong, Breen's win in the Academy followed by his S2000 WRC championship showed he had speed. I and many Irish and British fans could see how good he is. The 208 year gave some people the wrong impression. However if you had seen Breen live then it was always clear he was quick.
I remember some people saying the same about Paddon and Tanak 3 years ago.
3rd July 2017, 08:02
Priorat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIBaRYuJTV8
3rd July 2017, 08:41
noel157

Quote:

Originally Posted by Priorat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIBaRYuJTV8

Fantastic rally action, seriously poor spectator control, the worst I've ever seen on any rally. And dancing and jumping about on the stage, guess they were excited.......the last Rally Poland I suspect.
3rd July 2017, 09:06
ziggysony

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_K4Uls9IVc
The full video from WRC Poland 2017 Day1,2&3
Watch the drivers pushing the cars to the limit :-)
3rd July 2017, 09:24
itix

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Originally Posted by Mintexmemory

Wrong, Breen's win in the Academy followed by his S2000 WRC championship showed he had speed. I and many Irish and British fans could see how good he is. The 208 year gave some people the wrong impression. However if you had seen Breen live then it was always clear he was quick.
I remember some people saying the same about Paddon and Tanak 3 years ago.

All right, fair points but he did struggle quite a bit in both S-WRC, the IRC and the ERC. He won some events but mostly second places or lower. The years in the troublesome 208 didn't really help either.

He did two appearances in the WRC as well and the one where he managed to compete (Sweden, don't remember year) he didn't do super great.
3rd July 2017, 10:27
Simmi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munkvy

Interesting that Ogier can behave like this and only get a fine:

http://www.rajdpolski.pl/pliki/zawod...ision_no_2.pdf

Didn't people also mention him speeding between stages at some point?

I'd wager anyone who has done a few rallies driving around knows what it is like to be dive-bombed by a rally car. It's happened to me in at least three countries that I can remember. The wrong way around a roundabout is bad though - he's not driving an ambulance.
3rd July 2017, 14:27
dimviii

wet surface didn't allow new record

http://planetemarcus.com/record-de-v...-pologne-2017/
3rd July 2017, 14:31
dimviii

Opens&Tightens‏*@OpensTightens
#MemoryMonday to 1991 #WRC @AcropolisRally feat. #Fiorio #Pirollo
Nowadays rear wings fall down for themselves...
@MSportLtd @OttTanak

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDz6qG4WsAIfrbi.jpg
3rd July 2017, 14:34
dimviii

watch out guys

Hayden Paddon‏*@HaydenPaddon
So it's official - @berlinairport Tegel is the worse airport in the world. 100% success ratio of lost baggage - 4/4 in 6 months
3rd July 2017, 14:46
Marcco

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

Opens&Tightens‏*@OpensTightens
#MemoryMonday to 1991 #WRC @AcropolisRally feat. #Fiorio #Pirollo
Nowadays rear wings fall down for themselves...
@MSportLtd @OttTanak

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDz6qG4WsAIfrbi.jpg

Haha! Good-one :) Although nowadays rear wing probably makes more kg of downforce than this dude :)
3rd July 2017, 14:54
dimviii

nice video as always from Methka
https://youtu.be/PeNEyeEMWlk
3rd July 2017, 15:03
CoyoteVillagra

http://i.imgur.com/eLozNlQ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/3eOM2cj.jpg

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