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No my friend crap is ogier's character.Big driver but SMALL person ,very small indeed.The statements that have been made by him(in 4years),have not been made from the beggining of the wrc from all the drivers that participated to it.PATHETIC.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruesluporp
Who do you think are the BIG characters in wrc nowadays. And why?Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
The persons who are humble and down to earth,so definetely not him.Tell me one big driver in the rally history being so arrogant,no such statements have never been made by ANYONE and continuously like ogier's.Jari took a big win in sweden when he was young and his is top driver(of course ogier is better) and he is very down to earth.even the nine times champion (which i dont like him) never did such statements.once more pathetic!!!
Well I don't know, I guess don't pay much attention about it. What is so arrogant Ogier told in Sweden that pissed off so many?Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
You win a wine bottle of Limited Edition - "Arrogant FrOgier".Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
Cheers!!!
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Hahahahah thanks
Ogier saidQuote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
But it is very important because mentally for the others it's a strong show to them: remember, who is the boss. I like that
Well he is the boss... what is wrong with what he said ?? it is the truth...
Neither tommi nor juha(i mean top drivers)have ever said such things and these guys where also bosses.
I don't understand why so many people say that Ogier is arrogant??? What do they know from him? Or, maybe they support anybody else, and Ogier is quicker than them?
At the moment the answer is "anyone but him".Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
THey're all different of course, and none of them have achieved what Ogier did but I bet Latvala would have a way better style than him even with 2 WDC in his back. Same for Neuville and Mikkelsen that act everytime like pub friends with fans and other drivers although they're two of the best rally driver in the world.
Nobody is asking Ogier boring politically correct language or to be an humble pussy. He's the world champion after all, but as nafpaktos said his statements are the most pathetic in rally history.
Can't understend why by the way, with that wife I wouldn't whine about all the injustices in this world.
NOQuote:
Originally Posted by ruesluporp
Cause i was hating loeb i was supporting ogier from the beggining but now i dont like him at all because of his behaviour.dim8 can tell you if i was one of ogiers biggest fans or not.Dim am i right or i lie?
Buy a time machine and go back in the past...Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
Last year when Ogier made mistake in Sweden and lost the Rally he said it was his fault. Isn't that humility? What do You want him to say when he is driving clearly better than everybody else, and takes the victory clearly by driving? What is so arrogant about that to drive better than anybody currently and say what Your problems were during the Rally? I don't see anything arrogant about that, didn't notice him humiliating some of his opponents with speaking about the road conditions....
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Originally Posted by ruesluporp
Dignity and not being arrogant are values that belong to every time.
i remember when he had one exit and one broken tyre on two tarmac rallies two years ago (if i remeber right)and there he said it was gavel's crew mistake.its something you dont hear very usually.anyway there is no reason to argue about that i respect your opinion its just different point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Well I ackowledge this right only to you and to no one else.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Saying it's your fault when it's your fault is not humble, it's normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Saying that other driver understand I'm the boss is stupid in my opinion. First because they (and we all) already knew it, so no need to tell it, second because that is arrogance, no matter how right he is, it's about style. I think that in rally and other sports, big winning characters make speak the field, in his case the timeboard, and they don't need to say it themself.
That's not really an answer. To distinguish some quality in some person is what makes him bigger than others. You didn't provide any. But I can, Ogier is the fastest driver in WRC currently and his driving style is very spectacular. That is something I do care about, I know he is not a saint, but no one of us is.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
I see nothing wrong with Ogiers behavior, is about time we have a champion that speaks the truth, i do not like him when he comes up with cheap excuses, but what is wrong when he says he is the best ?? Isn't he ?? Latvala doesn't know how to drive after 500 years in the sport, Ostberg is a tourist, Meeke tries but always falls short, Neuville is ok i guess but overrated for the moment and the rest are not existent... the only hope is Mikelseen but for him is still early, to be honest Mikelsen deserves that 2nd polo far more than Latvala.
It is in the hands of his rivals to prove him wrong and make him look stupid...
No it is not normal. That is quality of big person actually to admit their own mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
I must have missed that quote, when he did said that:D? Well may be it is a wakeup call for the others to show him "who is the boss". I have to agree though it is not very stylish, but I can hardly recognize any great style in wrc last 10 more or less years perhaps. I still don't understand though why the style is such a big problem in motorsport, in F1 You'll find even less style last 20 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Well but you quoted just one sentence of the post. I've written some more to argue it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
What is the point to show humility just for the sake of it ?? why ?? because you cannot stand someone to be the best and know about it ??? what is wrong with that ?? why you need people to be humble on things they do best ?? humility should be shown only when you are still learning something because that is how you improve, when you reach the top there is no reason for it...
humility is a disease and the only fault the greatest motorsport driver of all times had...
Quote is here http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117751Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
I agree it is not so much important, and I'm wondering why we are talking too much about it. maybe it's the sundey night boredom :)
This fault makes him even more special,because he had not only good hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Ok, I could sound a bit weird now and far off topic but... You're putting it into a logic point of view and it fix perfectly but we live in a society and there are unwritten rules that shape societies, cultures and social groups. One of them (at the moment) is that even if you excel in something, underlining it with arrogance is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Ok, You said something about Latvala being "potentially" humble if he has 2 WDC, and something else for Neuville & Mikkelsen which I didn't understood.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
So why all this is important. I'm here to watch Rallies & discuss Rallies. Ogier brings the best a man can achieve with those cars. I admire that.
EDIT: BTW I think Ogier was arrogant only with his year with Loeb, 2011 was it may be?!? But he had every right to be I believe.
Intresting and radical approach,i have to re-evaluate my values.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
yes, but i just disagree with such unwritten rules imposed by the useless dissapointing mediocrity upon those who are better than others...Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
when you are the best at something you should point it out and only when others surpass you you have to be humble until you are on top again...
I agree, we're definitely talking too much about this, and sorry for my poor english :)Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
It is actually already Monday where I am and I'm preparing for a veeeery long week of fight in my work:D:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Your English is fine, I just didn't understood why these both behaviour with fans is so important of their personal qualities.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
you have said it 4 times,while nobody said that isnt the best driver at wrc.But thats havent to do something that he is arrogant,and he moans at every rally at every stage he doesn t win.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
This is just a pathetic behavior.Nothing more,nothing less than it.
no he is arrogant at all his rally life.At citroen all these are well known,at skoda s2000 with Mikkelsen are again well known,and at polo days again very well known.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
At citroen days while he was arrogant he was also cheating, and he was lying at stage stops too.
maybe for you isn t important your beloved driver to be arrogant.layer,or cheater.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
For many people there is.
is it so hard to understant it?
My beloved driver? That is too much. Keep me out such qualification. Arrogant, lire, cheater, well I'm not his lawyer to judge what is true and what is not. As far as he drives well, I'll like his driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Jack O'Neill is just the same in Stargate SG1, but he is awesome character there, isn't he?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
be a man and stop watching kids shows.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Oh, which are the man shows? Don't You like Tom&Jerry too?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
BTW: I only watched it for the "astrophysics" stuff years ago.