Rally Sweden 2014

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Originally Posted by wurc

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Originally Posted by mm1

Mads might have lost the 2nd place because of the F1 driver.

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just imagine that this is last SS and there's a special mechanism that shows split times to the other driver, and imagine that mikkelsen could choose mads 'screaming like a baby if someone is blocking me for a moment' ostberg split times to control his own pace to safely reach the end ? :) or is it out of your imagination ? ;)

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Östberg lost allot of time yesterday when he was blocked by Kubica. Rather then having a clean line
he had to drive behind Kubica for several KM which meant that he had to drive slower then
he normally would.

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Originally Posted by jparker

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Originally Posted by mm1

Mads might have lost the 2nd place because of the F1 driver.

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Well, I'm not sure who to blame for that, but anyway Mads did't slow much the second time.
Passing car on the road with spectators around it with such a high speed is plain stupid.
Somehow I see this Norwegian in different way now.

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How was Mads supposed to know that Kubica's car was blocking the road and id he had slow down
he woud have lost allot of more time. So I think it's fair to say that Kubica's mistakes cost
Österberg allot of time and possible the 2nd place.

Glad to see JML win and taking advantage of Ogier's mistake. Hope it gives him the confidence to fight for the title.

Also finally a result from Mikkelsen, showing some real speed and agression, at least in the first 2 days.

Ostberg deserves a lot of praise too, getting close to 2nd place and winning the PS while still only on his 2nd event in the DS3.

Disappointing final day for the Brits but a great learning experience for both... and well done to Breen actually beating both of them on his WRC car debut !!

Congrats Latvala proving that you must finish the rally for win. But, we all know speedwise Ogier was miles ahead him on his favourite rally. So, no boost for his selfconfidence I'm afraid. It is so very rewarding for an athlete to know he is best of the rest :mark:

What is more interesting, is that has Ogier's selfconfidence reached the top, finally. Shall he make mistakes more or must he slow the speed a bit in the future?

Good job by Andreas. I was waiting for this rally to see what he can do and he positively surprised me a bit. Östberg also seems to have quite good boogie in Citroen, lets wait for the gravel rallies... Tidemand was much slower compared to last year, a small disappointment. Evans delivered less than I expected as did Hänninen. Tänak did phenominal job, especially on first day.

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Originally Posted by mm1

Mads might have lost the 2nd place because of the F1 driver.

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Well, I'm not sure who to blame for that, but anyway Mads did't slow much the second time.
Passing car on the road with spectators around it with such a high speed is plain stupid.
Somehow I see this Norwegian in different way now.

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How was Mads supposed to know that Kubica's car was blocking the road and id he had slow down
he woud have lost allot of more time. So I think it's fair to say that Kubica's mistakes cost
Österberg allot of time and possible the 2nd place.

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You kidding right? When it comes to safety, nothing else matters. Mads had the chance to slow down, and he didn't, and by doing this he almost killed a spectator. No excuses for him in this case.

What a day for Norwegians! 2 podiums in Sweden WRC, 4 podiums in Winter Olympics, including gold for Ole The Great and Marit Bjørgen.
Congrats! :)

I was expecting more from Tidemand too. Suprisingly, Tanäk was the one delivered :oops:

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Originally Posted by A.F.F.

I was expecting more from Tidemand too. Suprisingly, Tanäk was the one delivered :oops:

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I must say I was negatively surprised, that Tidemand was all the time slower than Henning...

Congrats to Latvala, Mikkelse, Ostberg and all drivers in the top 10 of Rally Sweden 2014, :beer:

I can understand your disappointment for Tidemand. But if you were just a bit more professional in your judgements you wouldn´t say that.
Many things played a role. He had much testing in totally different conditions in an other car. He then wanted same setup in the car M-Sport delivered and got it, but the very different conditions in RS made his setup not working at all. And everyone driving a rallycar knows what it means when you don´t trust the performance of the car.
Thus that he´d done a clean run and fighted on. Last leg today he got a rear diff which he might should have had all weekend and the times where far better.
Remmber this was his second rally in a WRC car.
As said he didn´t do any mistakes and being 7th in this competition and very difficult rally is something Tidemand did a good job.

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

I can understand your disappointment for Tidemand. But if you were just a bit more professional in your judgements you wouldn´t say that.
Many things played a role. He had much testing in totally different conditions in an other car. He then wanted same setup in the car M-Sport delivered and got it, but the very different conditions in RS made his setup not working at all. And everyone driving a rallycar knows what it means when you don´t trust the performance of the car.
Thus that he´d done a clean run and fighted on. Last leg today he got a rear diff which he might should have had all weekend and the times where far better.
Remmber this was his second rally in a WRC car.
As said he didn´t do any mistakes and being 7th in this competition and very difficult rally is something Tidemand did a good job.

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Yes, I know all this factors. I was not expecting he will win. But I was expecting he will be faster than Henning.

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

I can understand your disappointment for Tidemand. But if you were just a bit more professional in your judgements you wouldn´t say that.
Many things played a role. He had much testing in totally different conditions in an other car. He then wanted same setup in the car M-Sport delivered and got it, but the very different conditions in RS made his setup not working at all. And everyone driving a rallycar knows what it means when you don´t trust the performance of the car.
Thus that he´d done a clean run and fighted on. Last leg today he got a rear diff which he might should have had all weekend and the times where far better.
Remmber this was his second rally in a WRC car.
As said he didn´t do any mistakes and being 7th in this competition and very difficult rally is something Tidemand did a good job.

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I agree with you Per. Tidemand did show that he is able to push without going over the limit and he is still
a very inexperienced driver at this level. if you look at what driver he has in front of him...
well they're not exactly rookies they all have many years experience of WRC cars.

@pluto well the difference between them is that Henning is much more experienced and
also I would say that was henning that was faster then expected rather then Pontus being slow.

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

I can understand your disappointment for Tidemand. But if you were just a bit more professional in your judgements you wouldn´t say that.
Many things played a role. He had much testing in totally different conditions in an other car. He then wanted same setup in the car M-Sport delivered and got it, but the very different conditions in RS made his setup not working at all. And everyone driving a rallycar knows what it means when you don´t trust the performance of the car.
Thus that he´d done a clean run and fighted on. Last leg today he got a rear diff which he might should have had all weekend and the times where far better.
Remmber this was his second rally in a WRC car.
As said he didn´t do any mistakes and being 7th in this competition and very difficult rally is something Tidemand did a good job.

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I have every right to be dissapointed. Liike PLuto, I know all these facts. But comparing the last year, I saw nothing from that flamboyant drive, maximum attack- attitude and not single top stage time. And that is why I'm dissapointed. However, it's understandable when you're building Your career. I just like those better to burn out than fade away style- drivers. Still, absolutely no disrespect to young Tidemand!

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Originally Posted by mm1

Have seen all your other posts on this thread, so don't see a reason to argue with you.

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well, my answer was written according to your ignorace level, when you were following your hero's f1 related speech towards kubica,
it was as disrespectful as ostberg's behaviour towards kubica when he called him for instance 'stupid', for sure didn't deserve it,
it wasn't the behaviour you expect from professional rally driver, well perhaps he's afraid of an uexperienced guy who bits his ass on tarmac in MC debut :)
frankly speaking I notice norwegian a bit too sensitive about their driver, even last year when meeke had to drive around 30 seconds behind novikov, he didn't behave so unprofessional as ostberg (screams, offending others, swearing), comparing to around 3 seconds delay caused by kubica, with second kubica's 'crash' he was warned by spectators but he didn't slow down, he behaved as dangerous as prokop the day before.

anyway good drive of latvala, he trully deserved it! hopefully this season won't as last one and he will manage to fight with ogier for the championship

my verdict is that VW is the car to beat... They won 20 out of 24 stages with Ostberg and Hirvonen beeing snow experts... It may be possible that they will win all round this year. Only Kubica might put some pressure in tarmac ( Germany or Spain)

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Originally Posted by GINE

Only Kubica might put some pressure in tarmac ( Germany or Spain)

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Originally Posted by GINE

my verdict is that VW is the car to beat... They won 20 out of 24 stages with Ostberg and Hirvonen beeing snow experts... It may be possible that they will win all round this year. Only Kubica might put some pressure in tarmac ( Germany or Spain)

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You know I would say that Mikkelsen and Latvala is just as much snow experts as Hirvonen and Östberg.
After all this was Latvala 3rd victory in the Swedish rally but sure the Polo is most likely the best car.

However I wouldn't rule out Ford and Citroen just yet.

I enjoyed the best WRC entry list Rally for God know how much time, and these days what I read here is only complains and overestimated biased comments for this and that driver.
1) VW were making some (stupid) orders and we poor fans think we're watching some competition - I don't believe any of this. I don't think they ever done that this and previous years. They just don't need to. The clear statement is: "We allow our drivers to compete freely, just to make sure they finish the event". Latvala and Mikkelsen just proved that. May be it is just possible some drivers to learn to some discipline, don't you think? Why would you need team orders then, when the 3rd driver is brething in your neck?
2) Kubica is bad to worse. Well this Rally probably somehow landed him on the ground a bit, probably not. Obviously he had very hard time here, at least finished somehow with the help of lot a spectators, he must buy them all a beer. Little in his defence probably is that this year's conditions were probably worst in this Rally. I find his driving style little risky anyway. But that's just it, he is nice addition to the championship though, probably I hate only the youtube videos flood of some claiming his fans, you can find decent video very hard.
3) Ostberg almost "killed" a specator, insulted Kubica. Well, the first Kubica off probably pissed him enough. He was just passing Kubica, while he decided to go ahead of him. May be Kubica knew, may be not. His claim was that he didn't have enough road to let him pass, on the footage I saw at least 1 such place 100m before he actually did it. On second Kubica off, probably he had to slow down a bit, no excuses for that (anyway it is primary concern for the spectators to take care of themselves), chasing both VW was very difficult yes and Kubica already pissed him once, but nothing would justify a tragedy, lets hope this never happen.

Probably I also can't say something positive of Hyunday either. Yes some speed ocasionally, but far from endurance part in this sport. Tidemand also dissapointed me a bit, after last year's performance expected lot more from him, at least top 5 (with Ogier in it).

Well, the positives go to all VW team, even Ogier. He is just human, makes mistakes too, only the big ones though admit theirs, Latvala & Mikkelsen - excellent fight, we the fans hope to see lot more of it in the future; Tanak - excellent performance and not "losing his head" chasing Hirvonen at any cost; H. Solberg had great performance too, nice for a driver who drivers for fun only.

I think that's it, may be I missed something or someone, let them forgive me, those are the highlights I think. I rest my case for Sweden.

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Neuville hits rock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAHeQwxqbwg#t=33

Ogier record 41m at Colins crest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlqpzqxqlIY

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

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Originally Posted by GINE

Only Kubica might put some pressure in tarmac ( Germany or Spain)

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No.

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right, you gave really strong arguments :) let's wait till august and we will find about how accurate is your prediction

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Originally Posted by wurc

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Originally Posted by mm1

Have seen all your other posts on this thread, so don't see a reason to argue with you.

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well, my answer was written according to your ignorace level, when you were following your hero's f1 related speech towards kubica...

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As this isn't the first time you're posting personal comments/insults, I have to ask you to cool down and stop doing that, or I will do that for you. I hope I made myself clear...

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http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-de-suede-2014/

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Originally Posted by pino

As this isn't the first time you're posting personal comments/insults, I have to ask you to cool down and stop doing that, or I will do that for you. I hope I made myself clear...

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well, i'm sorry if somebody got offended, but i really couldn't resist in replying in such a way if you see such post :)
anyway I just wanted to point out that not only because of kubica ostberg slowed down a bit,
check stages 16-20 overview at wrc.com, when he almost hit meeke's car, high risk of heart attack for him today ;)

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Originally Posted by wurc

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Originally Posted by pino

As this isn't the first time you're posting personal comments/insults, I have to ask you to cool down and stop doing that, or I will do that for you. I hope I made myself clear...

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well, i'm sorry if somebody got offended, but i really couldn't resist in replying in such a way if you see such post :)
anyway I just wanted to point out that not only because of kubica ostberg slowed down a bit,
check stages 16-20 overview at wrc.com, when he almost hit meeke's car, high risk of heart attack for him today ;)

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You have been offensive earlier today as well, so just make sure it won't happen again, thank you !

Guys, calm down, anybody who thoughts that RK will be Loeb from first round was wrong. He is learning, we need to give him this first few rounds and we will see what he can do ;)

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Originally Posted by Bartek

Guys, calm down, anybody who thoughts that RK will be Loeb from first round was wrong. He is learning, we need to give him this first few rounds and we will see what he can do ;)

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anybody who think kubica will be Loeb is wrong.... and if you change Loeb with Hirvonen you will also be wrong....

http://timoanis.eu/season-2014/wrc-rally-sweden/ photos from rally sweden 2014!

my thoughts
Latvala controlled the rally without mistakes,catch the offer Ogier gave him.
Ogier to many mistakes for the first 2 rallies so far.At Monte i was talking about luck,and that he cant be lucky forever.Some mates from here didn t understand it.Now hope they understood what i waa talking about.
Faster driver by far,but too many mistakes.If he control his mistakes he will not have any problem.Pressure is on him now.
Meeke so and so,for 1st time job almost done.Its not easy for 1st time at snow.
Ostberg waiting more from him.If he is not capable to win or to play for the win at Sweden,he has tough times at next rallies.
Mikko,unfortynately he hasn t got any more to give to this sport.For these with open minds,it was visible 2 years almost.For the rest they were talking about ds3 bad setup,that is a Finn at a French team with bad co operation ,and that ds3 is not good,hope to understand now.
Evans so and so,pitty that he rolled at last stage.
Kubica waiting for more speed at 1st Sweden is not right,but didn t waiting so many offs.At asphalt rallies this guy will be very interesting for sure.
Henning nice rally for a retired and aged.
Tidemand waiting for more speed inside his well known surface,and be faster from his stepfather.About wrong setup,ok at days 1-2,but at day 3 had the right setup,and didn t notice any improovement.
Tanak maybe the positive surprise of the rally.His pace prooves how a, 1 year out of wrc youngster can handle and setup a wrc car.Wish he can find enough budget for more wrc runs.
Mikkelsen the second nice surprise,waiting way less from him before the rally.I would like to see this pace also,at next rallies too,because inside their homeland there are plenty drivers fast.
Neuville i said last year that he is overestimated,because of absence of other capable drivers at the market.Too many mistakes, was extreme lucky with Ford.But you can t be lucky forever.His interviews about knowing ''such problems'' when signed with Hyundai are laughable.
Hanninen waiting more from him.I will wait for more rallies for safer conclusions.
The only positive about Hyundai is that car seems competetive,even if Sweden is not the rally to make conclusions.

seems that we have an interesting year.Latvala will clear the loose at Mexico at 1st day.Will Ogier manage to make a safe gap? Probably yes.But will he drive without mistakes at next days?

Photos from last day HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1230

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ovUgecy7xM

It is good that these 2 rallies are over...now the real championship begins and we can see who is who.

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Originally Posted by Bartek

Guys, calm down, anybody who thoughts that RK will be Loeb from first round was wrong. He is learning, we need to give him this first few rounds and we will see what he can do ;)

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yeah, other thing is that he has quite much distance for his pace on snow:
"It has been very difficult...yesterday stupid mistake...I'm driving like my grandmother going to the supermarket..." :D

i'm also curious about henning solberg's onboard from last SS as he said:
"We were slowed down for a long time because of Evans was off"
just to remind you, he finished 7th only 17 seconds after ogier, so guys please do not put your all anger towards one driver as there were many other situations like this,

one thing is for sure that scandinavians know how to drive on snow!

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Originally Posted by mm1

Mads might have lost the 2nd place because of the F1 driver.

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Well, I'm not sure who to blame for that, but anyway Mads did't slow much the second time.
Passing car on the road with spectators around it with such a high speed is plain stupid.
Somehow I see this Norwegian in different way now.

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How was Mads supposed to know that Kubica's car was blocking the road and id he had slow down
he woud have lost allot of more time. So I think it's fair to say that Kubica's mistakes cost
Österberg allot of time and possible the 2nd place.

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You kidding right? When it comes to safety, nothing else matters. Mads had the chance to slow down, and he didn't, and by doing this he almost killed a spectator. No excuses for him in this case.

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Mads slowed down as much as he could. He had probably 2 sek, from he saw the situation to he passed. Braking hard there would have sent him right into the spectators. Mads saved that situation, from getting tragic.

@Dimviii: I won´t defend your thoughts about Tidemand but right should be right. He had changed the rearaxle in service after first loop on third day. So, 2,5 days with wrong setup. Only last loop he had best setup. ;)

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Originally Posted by GINE

Only Kubica might put some pressure in tarmac ( Germany or Spain)

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No.

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No Germany or No Spain?

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

@Dimviii: I won´t defend your thoughts about Tidemand but right should be right. He had changed the rearaxle in service after first loop on third day. So, 2,5 days with wrong setup. Only last loop he had best setup. ;)

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thanks for clarifying Per.

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Originally Posted by GINE

Only Kubica might put some pressure in tarmac ( Germany or Spain)

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No.

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No Germany or No Spain?

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In the laws of Mathematical logic, it is both, i.e. applying negative on OR, is all negaite AND