Because I have functioning people reading skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
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Because I have functioning people reading skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
I like JML, but when people set fastest times on last day, and wish they had done it sooner... I have my doubts. Fact is, Loeb won the rally on 1st stage this morning. Sub counciously.. He took less risks from there on and Ogier was resigned to 2nd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
Hat off for Loeb !
Hanninen showed a great performance this weekend. If he hadn't slowed down after Tanak rolled he may have beaten Raikkonen, Wilson and Henning. I guess that would have been the smallest gap we have ever seen between WRCar and S2000 on a WRC Rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Nice to wake up in NZ this morning to read that our local car club member has dominated PWRC again. Congratulations to Hayden Paddon and John Kennard on a job well done.
The All Blacks beat the Sprinboks last night 40 - 7 so all is well in the land of the Kiwi
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
Podium celebrations featuring the top 9 of the rally (sound a bit off sync in the end):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg9UDQeVxYA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RachI_lcZn8
Crash highlights with few more unseen incidents:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-ug2sXs7BM
How do you calculate your pickems point? this round my pickems looked like this:
- S Loeb, picked winner[/*:m:1m5xlq3h]
- M Hirvonen, top 8[/*:m:1m5xlq3h]
- S Ogier, cor.plc[/*:m:1m5xlq3h]
- J Latvala, top 8[/*:m:1m5xlq3h]
- P Solberg, cor.plc[/*:m:1m5xlq3h]
- M Ostberg, cor.plc[/*:m:1m5xlq3h]
- K Raikkonen, wrong[/*:m:1m5xlq3h]
- M Wilson top 8[/*:m:1m5xlq3h]
Rally Finland: Overall standings after Stage 22 (Top 10):
1. Sebastien Loeb Citroen Total WRT DS3 WRC 2hours 39mins 37.0secs M
2. Jari-Matti Latvala Ford Abu Dhabi WRT Fiesta RS WRC +00mins 08.1secs M
3. Sebastien Ogier Citroen Total WRT DS3 WRC +00mins 12.8secs M
4. Mikko Hirvonen Ford Abu Dhabi WRT Fiesta RS WRC +01mins 09.1secs M
5. Petter Solberg PSWRT Citroen DS3 WRC +01mins 16.2secs M
6. Mads Ostberg M-Sport Stobart Ford Fiesta RS WRC +01mins 27.8secs M
7. Henning Solberg M-Sport Stobart Ford Fiesta RS WRC +03mins 25.5secs
8. Matthew Wilson M-Sport Stobart Ford Fiesta RS WRC +03mins 53.2secs M
9. Kimi Raikkonen ICE1 Racing Citroen DS3 WRC +03mins 59.8secs M
10. Juho Hanninen Red Bull Skoda Fabia S2000 +05mins 13.7secs S
Others:
11. Dennis Kuipers FERM Powertools Ford Fiesta RS WRC +07mins 41.3secs M
12. Martin Prokop Ford Fiesta S2000 +07mins 51.4secs S
13. Ott Tanak Ford Fiesta S2000 +08mins 52.0secs S
14. Khalid Al-Qassimi Team Abu Dhabi Ford Fiesta RS WRC +09mins 47.8secs M
15. PG Andersson Subaru Impreza R4 +09mins 54.7secs
16. Hermann Gassner Jr Skoda Fabia S2000 +11mins 06.3secs S
19. Hayden Paddon Subaru Impreza WRX STi +12mins 20.2secs P
20. Armindo Araujo Motorsport Italia Mini John Cooper Works +12mins 53.0secs
Rally Finland: Power Stage / SS22 (Top 3):
1. Mikko Hirvonen Ford Abu Dhabi WRT Fiesta RS WRC 2mins 39.6secs M
2. Jari-Matti Latvala Ford Abu Dhabi WRT Fiesta RS WRC +00mins 00.3secs M
3. Sebastien Loeb Citroen Total WRT DS3 WRC +00mins 00.6secs M
NOTE: Top three finishers in Power Stage are awarded bonus points. 1st = 3 points; 2nd = 2 points; 3rd = 1 point
SWRC standings after Stage 22 (Top 3):
1. Juho Hanninen Red Bull Skoda Fabia S2000 2hours 44mins 50.7secs S
2. Martin Prokop Ford Fiesta S2000 +02mins 37.7secs S
3. Ott Tanak Ford Fiesta S2000 +03mins 38.3secs S
PWRC standings after Stage 22 (Top 3):
1. Hayden Paddon Subaru Impreza WRX STi 2hours 51mins 57.2secs P
2. Jarkko Nikara Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +00mins 40.2secs P
3. Patrik Flodin Subaru Impreza WRX STi +01mins 07.7secs P
Notable retirements:
SS2. Matti Rantanen Mini John Cooper Works Off the road
SS4. Mattias Therman Mini John Cooper Works Off the road*
SS8. Jari Ketomaa HJ-Autotalo.com Ford Fiesta RS WRC Off the road
SS8. Evgeny Novikov M-Sport Stobart Ford Fiesta RS WRC Stopped*
SS8. Joonas Lindroos VW Motorsport Skoda Fabia S2000 Off the road
SS16/17. Evgeny Novikov M-Sport Stobart Ford Fiesta RS WRC Oil pressure
SS18. Andreas MikkelsenVW Motorsport Skoda Fabia S2000 Mechanical
SS20. Kris Meeke Mini WRT John Cooper Works Engine
SS21. Dani Sordo Mini WRT John Cooper Works Engine
As far as I know Ford are committed to 2012, with Mikko and Jari-Matti. Ford are due in the autumn to make the decision whether to extend their involvement beyond 2012.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Miika, please more action.
Tänak didnt roll, he just had problems with restarting engine. So it looks like we can see Tänak in SWRC for one more year.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
That is correct mate!Quote:
Originally Posted by wildsir
But also note that the Xara in 2002 was not developed properly on gravel yet. Were as the C4 in 2009 was. Anyway Ogier and Loeb is and was simply amazing.. true talent. Just like Burns was fighting for victories there in every rally finland after the first attempt in 1998.
Im am rallyfan, and im not a fan of Loeb. I just think he makes WRC worse, because he is too good and its getting boring when one man winns 8 years in a row. For me the last interesting season was 2003.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Don't you think it's not he's fault but others can't keep up with him? And you are right it might be boring but again, if it's boring then only because of others.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfan+
a little payback for the time control issue :D :D
Full congrats to Sébastien Loeb and Daniel Elena :bounce:
We can also say what makes rally become worse is the UNABILITY of M-Sport/FORD to make an equal car to Citroën :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfan+
Where has all that speed been since Sweden???Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I was looking at the SS4 multiple-rolls in Hassi. Anyone told anything during the Recce? There was any "signal" from the drivers?
recce is limited to 80 km/hr ....the notes change dramatically with the speed.
Excellent win by Seb and Daniel. It seems with the new rivalry in the team that little Seb is getting a bit up himself. It's always good to knock him back a peg or two. Loeb drove a masterclass on Day 3 and it was fantastic to see Jari Matti in 2nd place too.
It is a boring season with the Citroen-show winning everything although I was happy Seb snr won this one and not the young lad.
Loeb lost my respect in 2009, when he needed Conrad Rautenbach, the slowest man ever in a WRcar, to stop for 13 minuts!!!!!!! to giove Loeb the 1 point that made him world championshipQuote:
Originally Posted by wrc1600
So what?! Conrad crashed him in Jordan before.
:up: +1 No one wants to watch a sport where the same team wins every year. Imagine if Manchester utd won the premier league for 8 years in a row...?Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfan+
Although I think there have been interesting seasons since petter won the championship, Loeb lost all my respect when he could have joined F1 and made a packet, instead he stayed in a place where he knew he could win and was frightened to go anywhere else, in case he was beaten.
So once again a non nordic driver wins in finland. you could argue that loeb has no competition, and that the current finns havent done a good enough job of carrying the torch for the past drivers (do you thin gronholm would have let this happen?).
Or you could argue that Hirvonen won 13 of 22 stages, and 3 of them he was out of contention. And loeb is still praised, when hirvonen was faster, by miles.
Coming home from Finland there are some notes to done:
- Thank you Hartusvuori (and Juha-Koo) for tip where to go on Friday. Spot on! (Not that I like huge crashes, but it was a difficult place for the nonexperienced drivers)
- Hirvonen is the king of Finland when it comes to speed. Last year the car failed him. This year he had a small failure that costed him the victory.
- Citroen has made more progress on their engines during the half year, than Ford. Thats why Latvala has a slight less speed. But remember he´s only tenths of seconds away. Small margins though...
- Petter is neutralized by Citroen, given him factory service but agreed not same car as Sebs, and thats why he complains all the time of course given orders not to tell why he has to struggle....
- A good driver must have some luck. Loeb had it this year having Mikko off pace on Thursday and no disadvantage of starting first on the road on Saturday.
Who cares as long it's a deserved win, only a absolute top driver, and only top drivers can win here or have been winning in the past, luck plays never a part, Mikko or car made a mistake here and he was out, thats what counts, the rest is speculation. Grönholm did have problems when Märtin did win, still nobody did complain, thats the way it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
The fastest man was Hirvonen,as said winner of 13 stages,and remember its a FACTORY prepared Citroen against a PRIVATE team prepared car.The private team has to make money,and profit,so all the money has to come from other sources,namely Abu Dhabi etc.Where as Citroens money for the rally team is not creamed off to make a profit for anybody
Must admit that great roads are here in Finland. The best rally after MC for me.
then i guess you have no respect for any world champion because in the history of the sport there was not even 1 world champion who was not benefited from team orders.....Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
Yes Mikko was quick, but was driving with nothing to loose. Don't underestimate a drivers mindset versus his speed. Don't blame Citroen. You only think they can spend money... Wait till VW start.Quote:
Originally Posted by driveace
i wonder what the fords were doing for 4 days of testing. and they said they found very good setups...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
Maybe they were busy in chosing what food design put on the roof of the cars... one of the most important thing to have a competitive car.Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
Has there been any pics of Citroen's rear suspensions? Mikko said the factory team had new different looking rear suspension compared to Petter and Kimi, I'd like to see what they have changed.
And also Hirvonen had good road position right? Loeb won it from the front...that is impressive!Quote:
Originally Posted by wildsir
Fantastic rally once again!
We saw a lot of great driving, nice jumps and some crashes.
My photos: Rally Finland
I'm back from my first NORF and definitely not the last. What a weekend! Really amazing rally and so was the whole country (except a bit too many mosquitos :) ).
Not a good rally for me this time, i don't like the long days since it's no time to enjoy and going down to Lahti just made for too many spectators coming from Helsinki. My last Rally Finland for a while...
Some photos from NORF 2011:
http://samzon.kuvat.fi/kuvat/neste-ralli+07.11/