Petter Solberg WRT

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

he was 1st in shakedown so expect him to win there followed by the true legend human race ambasadors Blok and kimmi.

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How about you stay away from threads you don't like, insted of posting negative comments all the time...I am tired of them. And yes this is an official warning !

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Originally Posted by pino

How about you stay away from threads you don't like, insted of posting negative comments all the time...I am tired of them. And yes this is an official warning !

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Fully agree...

Best result for PS WRT so far. Petter and Phil needed this booster, and especially winning the fight with Ogier on the Last SSS !

No bulls... tactics, but full attack from start to finish !

Looking forward to the next one guys !

Great rally, fantastic result!!!!

Great result for Petter, hopefully we will se him on podium many times this year :D

Maybe this testing paid off..

The 2nd place in Mexico would have given Petter his confidence back, a reapeat performance in Jordan would be good.

What hasn't been mentioned is his battle with Ogier.

Ogier was always up Solbergs trumpet the whole time till SS11 when Loeb took the lead having been 3rd at Super Special 2. Ogier was always within touching distance of Solberg. Then it was between Solberg and Ogier. From SS11 to SS13 Solberg was leading Ogier...till SS14 when Ogier took the lead. But after SS15 Solberg too the lead from Ogier all the way till SS19 when Ogier retook top stop from Solberg. But on the final stage Solberg retook the lead from Ogier for about the 3rd time. Every way along the rally Ogier and Solberg were only seconds apart.

Petters team is the only Citroen team I will to do well and I pray he puts in another similar great rally in the Middle East.

http://www.viasatsport.no/
The last stages and drama of Mexico.. With full "interview" with Petter after the super special stage.. "Solberg i tårer"
Don't know if this works outside Norway? Sorry.. Worth a try anyway...

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Originally Posted by pino

How about you stay away from threads you don't like, insted of posting negative comments all the time...I am tired of them. And yes this is an official warning !

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I would never have thought that it should come to this, but here goes: I am writing this in support of forumer N.O.T and the principle of freedom of expression on this forum.

I have seen that you have posted "official warnings" on two diffrent threads, pino. In my opinion this is very harsh, based on your subjective interpretation that N.O.T is "negative".

On a forum like this there must be accept for satire, irony and critisism, even heavy critisism. Sometimes satire can be (falsely) interpreted as "negative", but it isn`t always the case. Freedom of expression is a most important principle, and it has nothing to do whether other discussion participants is completely disagreeing with you or not. I myself disagree (sometimes completely) with N.O.T in most of his statements and caracteristics, but I do not find them especially offensive or offending. He has a different kind of humour than most other forumers, and it may be well and truly irritating when he is repeating his old jokes, but from time to time he is actually somewhere near being a bit funny, too!

What isn`t acceptable is of course personal abuse and blatant disrespect. It may seem that N.O.T is being close to disrespectful in his caracteristics of for instance Ken Block and Kimi Raikkkönen during the last days. Many of us find this highly annoying, but in principle I will say that as public performers and persons, Block, Raikkönen and others should accept this level of satire and critisism. They are not "attacked" with personal abuse, but they are critisised for being hyped up and/or slow rally drivers. This is the personal opinion of N.O.T, like it or not, but it is actually his right to express these opinions.

It may be that I should have started a thread on Forum Feedback instead of posting here, pino, but as you are posting your official warnings on an existing thread instead of sending a PM to N.O.T, I chose to post here.

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Originally Posted by Iskald

I would never have thought that it should come to this, but here goes: I am writing this in support of forumer N.O.T and the principle of freedom of expression on this forum.

I have seen that you have posted "official warnings" on two diffrent threads, pino. In my opinion this is very harsh, based on your subjective interpretation that N.O.T is "negative".

On a forum like this there must be accept for satire, irony and critisism, even heavy critisism. Sometimes satire can be (falsely) interpreted as "negative", but it isn`t always the case. Freedom of expression is a most important principle, and it has nothing to do whether other discussion participants is completely disagreeing with you or not. I myself disagree (sometimes completely) with N.O.T in most of his statements and caracteristics, but I do not find them especially offensive or offending. He has a different kind of humour than most other forumers, and it may be well and truly irritating when he is repeating his old jokes, but from time to time he is actually somewhere near being a bit funny, too!

What isn`t acceptable is of course personal abuse and blatant disrespect. It may seem that N.O.T is being close to disrespectful in his caracteristics of for instance Ken Block and Kimi Raikkkönen during the last days. Many of us find this highly annoying, but in principle I will say that as public performers and persons, Block, Raikkönen and others should accept this level of satire and critisism. They are not "attacked" with personal abuse, but they are critisised for being hyped up and/or slow rally drivers. This is the personal opinion of N.O.T, like it or not, but it is actually his right to express these opinions.

It may be that I should have started a thread on Forum Feedback instead of posting here, pino, but as you are posting your official warnings on an existing thread instead of sending a PM to N.O.T, I chose to post here.

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Completely agree with Iskald. N.O.T. is the person who puts me thinking: "do I really believe what I am reading, do the writer wants me to belive what he writes, is it really true?" He is very often over sarcastic but he is very often right too.

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Originally Posted by Iskald

I would never have thought that it should come to this, but here goes: I am writing this in support of forumer N.O.T and the principle of freedom of expression on this forum.

I have seen that you have posted "official warnings" on two diffrent threads, pino. In my opinion this is very harsh, based on your subjective interpretation that N.O.T is "negative".

On a forum like this there must be accept for satire, irony and critisism, even heavy critisism. Sometimes satire can be (falsely) interpreted as "negative", but it isn`t always the case. Freedom of expression is a most important principle, and it has nothing to do whether other discussion participants is completely disagreeing with you or not. I myself disagree (sometimes completely) with N.O.T in most of his statements and caracteristics, but I do not find them especially offensive or offending. He has a different kind of humour than most other forumers, and it may be well and truly irritating when he is repeating his old jokes, but from time to time he is actually somewhere near being a bit funny, too!

What isn`t acceptable is of course personal abuse and blatant disrespect. It may seem that N.O.T is being close to disrespectful in his caracteristics of for instance Ken Block and Kimi Raikkkönen during the last days. Many of us find this highly annoying, but in principle I will say that as public performers and persons, Block, Raikkönen and others should accept this level of satire and critisism. They are not "attacked" with personal abuse, but they are critisised for being hyped up and/or slow rally drivers. This is the personal opinion of N.O.T, like it or not, but it is actually his right to express these opinions.

It may be that I should have started a thread on Forum Feedback instead of posting here, pino, but as you are posting your official warnings on an existing thread instead of sending a PM to N.O.T, I chose to post here.

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Me aggree too

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Originally Posted by Iskald

I would never have thought that it should come to this, but here goes: I am writing this in support of forumer N.O.T and the principle of freedom of expression on this forum.

I have seen that you have posted "official warnings" on two diffrent threads, pino. In my opinion this is very harsh, based on your subjective interpretation that N.O.T is "negative".

On a forum like this there must be accept for satire, irony and critisism, even heavy critisism. Sometimes satire can be (falsely) interpreted as "negative", but it isn`t always the case. Freedom of expression is a most important principle, and it has nothing to do whether other discussion participants is completely disagreeing with you or not. I myself disagree (sometimes completely) with N.O.T in most of his statements and caracteristics, but I do not find them especially offensive or offending. He has a different kind of humour than most other forumers, and it may be well and truly irritating when he is repeating his old jokes, but from time to time he is actually somewhere near being a bit funny, too!

What isn`t acceptable is of course personal abuse and blatant disrespect. It may seem that N.O.T is being close to disrespectful in his caracteristics of for instance Ken Block and Kimi Raikkkönen during the last days. Many of us find this highly annoying, but in principle I will say that as public performers and persons, Block, Raikkönen and others should accept this level of satire and critisism. They are not "attacked" with personal abuse, but they are critisised for being hyped up and/or slow rally drivers. This is the personal opinion of N.O.T, like it or not, but it is actually his right to express these opinions.

It may be that I should have started a thread on Forum Feedback instead of posting here, pino, but as you are posting your official warnings on an existing thread instead of sending a PM to N.O.T, I chose to post here.

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I disagree.

N.O.T. is an internet-troll. An internet-troll is a person who does like to irritate and more tha that other serious viewers and discussers on this forum

For me he doesn´t provide anything to this forum.

As I have written before to NOT I think he might be at womens forum with his gossip.

(Though I think NOT has a serious interest in international rallying a recommendation to him would be to calm down and comment the kind of way we could see in some of his quotes during this weekend)

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

I disagree.

N.O.T. is an internet-troll. An internet-troll is a person who does like to irritate and more tha that other serious viewers and discussers on this forum

For me he doesn´t provide anything to this forum.

As I have written before to NOT I think he might be at womens forum with his gossip.

(Though I think NOT has a serious interest in international rallying a recommendation to him would be to calm down and comment the kind of way we could see in some of his quotes during this weekend)

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I do agree with you.

Great great great performance by Petter, I wonder if he also has the same engine spec of Ogier ...

ps. The photo of NOT is present in the wikipedia section "internet troll" xD

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Originally Posted by Helstar

Great great great performance by Petter, I wonder if he also has the same engine spec of Ogier ...

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I don't know which engine Oigier have, but Petter has the old one. He will get the upgraded engine for Jordan.

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Originally Posted by Iskald

I would never have thought that it should come to this, but here goes: I am writing this in support of forumer N.O.T and the principle of freedom of expression on this forum.

I have seen that you have posted "official warnings" on two diffrent threads, pino. In my opinion this is very harsh, based on your subjective interpretation that N.O.T is "negative".

On a forum like this there must be accept for satire, irony and critisism, even heavy critisism. Sometimes satire can be (falsely) interpreted as "negative", but it isn`t always the case. Freedom of expression is a most important principle, and it has nothing to do whether other discussion participants is completely disagreeing with you or not. I myself disagree (sometimes completely) with N.O.T in most of his statements and caracteristics, but I do not find them especially offensive or offending. He has a different kind of humour than most other forumers, and it may be well and truly irritating when he is repeating his old jokes, but from time to time he is actually somewhere near being a bit funny, too!

What isn`t acceptable is of course personal abuse and blatant disrespect. It may seem that N.O.T is being close to disrespectful in his caracteristics of for instance Ken Block and Kimi Raikkkönen during the last days. Many of us find this highly annoying, but in principle I will say that as public performers and persons, Block, Raikkönen and others should accept this level of satire and critisism. They are not "attacked" with personal abuse, but they are critisised for being hyped up and/or slow rally drivers. This is the personal opinion of N.O.T, like it or not, but it is actually his right to express these opinions.

It may be that I should have started a thread on Forum Feedback instead of posting here, pino, but as you are posting your official warnings on an existing thread instead of sending a PM to N.O.T, I chose to post here.

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Agree, Sometimes N.O.T on the limit with his style, but at least he understand this sport and this is more important. Hopfully we will se him soon again here

I also agree with Iskald. Don't get the (internet)life too seriously, folks ;)

I can see Petter really did lose weight, it seem his face looks gaunter than before.

congratulations Petter on the result,maybe he should get more thought from the works teams,as a tryer.And how many privateers can come 2nd in a WRC event.?

Really, he should be in the Citroën works team, but team orders would be a problem.

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Originally Posted by Langdale Forest

Really, he should be in the Citroën works team, but team orders would be a problem.

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Too bad that car sales marktet are more important than talent, and Norway is no important enough as a marktet for Citroen. I admire Ford for having 2 Fins just for their talent.

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Originally Posted by driveace

congratulations Petter on the result,maybe he should get more thought from the works teams,as a tryer.And how many privateers can come 2nd in a WRC event.?

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Loeb won as a privateer with kronos citroen beating the factory fords and subarus.

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Originally Posted by Red bull

Loeb won as a privateer with kronos citroen beating the factory fords and subarus.

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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Red bull

Loeb won as a privateer with kronos citroen beating the factory fords and subarus.

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Do You believe that he had private Citroen?? :D

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Originally Posted by Red bull

Loeb won as a privateer with kronos citroen beating the factory fords and subarus.

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Are you seriously convinced Kronos was privateer ??????????????????

oh yea it sure was a private job what world is red bull living in that was a full works job in all but name

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Originally Posted by Iskald

I would never have thought that it should come to this, but here goes: I am writing this in support of forumer N.O.T and the principle of freedom of expression on this forum.

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There's a difference between "freedom of expression" and just filling up useful threads with garbage posts.

Anyway, back on the topic of the thread- impressive result by Petter. Maybe tactics at the end of day 1 would have let him fight for the win, but I suspect Petter was just so happy to finally be in the lead at the end of a day (it's been a long time since that happened) that he didnt want to give it up to play tactics.

As he said at the end of day1, "I'm here to drive as fast as possible, and we will see the results at the end... I'm not here for playing"

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Originally Posted by serial jeff

There's a difference between "freedom of expression" and just filling up useful threads with garbage posts.

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You are totally wrong. The principle of freedom of expression definitely also include the freedom of writing "garbage posts". Freedom of expression has in fact - also judicially - very few boundaries. The opposite of freedom of expression is sensorship. Do we want that? No, I didn`t think so...

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Originally Posted by Iskald

The opposite of freedom of expression is sensorship. Do we want that? No, I didn`t think so...

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Sure, a little censorship is fine. This is just an internet forum, we're not debating matters of great moral importance. I want to be able to read the News & Rumors thread without every second post either being some inane/inciting comment, or a quoting response to that post.

Freedom of expression is not an inalienable right. It is conferred upon an individual by the community they are part of, and it comes with the responsibility to use that freedom within the rules defined by that community. If not you can expect the freedom to be withdrawn.
Pino is right on the money here, NOT is causing more harm to this forum than good and he needs to be told that.

I'd never really been a Petter fan - as I came 'back' to rallying in 2007 having not been to a rally for over 10years he appeared to be 'all mouth and no trousers'!
But seeing how hard he has worked personally to get PSWRT off the ground after Subaru pulled the plug has given me a huge amount of respect for him. The pressure on him at the start of this season has obviously been huge and to get on the podium at Mexico was the least he deserved. Seeing him elated and in tears at the end of the last SSS was really heart warming, even my wife who has no interest in rallying felt for him.

It would be great if he could challenge the top runners throughout the rest of this year, I for one will be cheering him on from now on.

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Originally Posted by mjh

I'd never really been a Petter fan - as I came 'back' to rallying in 2007 having not been to a rally for over 10years he appeared to be 'all mouth and no trousers'!
But seeing how hard he has worked personally to get PSWRT off the ground after Subaru pulled the plug has given me a huge amount of respect for him. The pressure on him at the start of this season has obviously been huge and to get on the podium at Mexico was the least he deserved. Seeing him elated and in tears at the end of the last SSS was really heart warming, even my wife who has no interest in rallying felt for him.

It would be great if he could challenge the top runners throughout the rest of this year, I for one will be cheering him on from now on.

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Amen.

Its remarkable what you can do if you have a goal and give your all to archive it, even with everyone in your face.

Good post mjh and agree!

I hope Petter will be able to show in the next rally that even without tactics one can win...

Ps. It's so amusing to see somebody claiming "freedom of expression for everybody, even if garbage" when last year in another thread he attacked me for a garbage post (it wasn't actually, but let's assume that) and cried to moderators that he would leave the forum if I wouldn't have penalty points...

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Originally Posted by Pinto

oh yea it sure was a private job what world is red bull living in that was a full works job in all but name

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you mean it was citroen in disguise as kronos,then now i can get a clear picture PETER SOLBERG CITROEN SPORT RALLY TEAM
:s mokin:

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Originally Posted by Red bull

you mean it was citroen in disguise as kronos,then now i can get a clear picture PETER SOLBERG CITROEN SPORT RALLY TEAM
:s mokin:

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if you may plse correct me in which category does kronos fall,a factory wrc team or a private wrc team :confused:

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Originally Posted by Red bull

if you may plse correct me in which category does kronos fall,a factory wrc team or a private wrc team :confused:

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In that year Kronos was heavily factory supported team (read: practically factory team).

Loeb's kronos car was fully factory serviced under the banner of Kronos, while Xavier Pons and Dani Sordo were really privateers.

Citroen Sport was develloping the C4 WRC, and was officialy out of the WRC, giving all their material to Kronos racing. But Citroen Sport serviced Loeb's Xsara and was still develloping parts for the Xsara. Sordo's and Pons'car were serviced by kronos, while Citoren engineers had a lot do to with Loeb's car. Kronos Racing's staff room looked exact the same as Citroen Sport's staff room during the rallies, except for blue shirts instead of red ones.

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