Fuel issue- No penalty for BMW/Williams- McLaren to appeal

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Originally Posted by Daniel

As posted before he admitted to pressing a button that caused that issue ;)

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And now a detailed alternative explanation has been provided.

Well said. These are the frustrations of this whole thing. It's hard to believe Mac is so stupid after all the breaks they got this year... and the BS that they just want to clear up the rules... what disengenuous arses... This is only for Lewis of course, and FA would not benefit. Lewis does have some class, but if he really wanted to show it, he would come out and directly say, I will not accept the drivers championship on appeal this year.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Let's just say that this season EVERYONE got their share of help from the FIA, some more ans some less.

Back to the fuel debate.

McLaren was found guilty of cheating and excluded from the championship but drivers were allowed to keep their points and continue to fight for the WDC.

Hamilton was put back on track by a crane when rules clearly stated that cranes can only be used to remove stricken cars that abandoned.

SC rules were relaxed after the same drivers shenanigans in poor weather conditions led to an accident.

More sets of wet tires were used in FP1 in Brazil, team got fined and driver got away clean.

Disrupted KR's qualifying twice yet the stewards said to Ferrari there is no use to question it! (keep in mind that others lost places on the grid for similar actions)

So what are McLaren and RD expecting from the FIA, again, in this fuel related problem.

Fine the teams?

Disqualify the BMW and Williams cars and take away all their points or only the constructor points?

They are clearly not in a position to ask for drivers to be disqualified, not without questioning their own drivers situation.

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Just one question. If this was mclarens fuel does anyone here think that mclaren would not be disqualified.

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Originally Posted by spiritone

Just one question. If this was mclarens fuel does anyone here think that mclaren would not be disqualified.

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In same circumstances why would they act differently with McLaren?

Well, after Mclaren pressed with appeal, I hope that on December 6th Max will ban them from next year.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

As posted before he admitted to pressing a button that caused that issue ;)

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Was he trying to push the button that was supposed to shoot the missle at Fernando?

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ClarkFan

McLaren are claiming that they don't have anything against Raikkonen and Ferrari and admit they were beaten on the track. They claim that they don't have anything against BMW and Williams and aren't suggesting that the teams tried to cheat. They claim that the issue is "too important" not to appeal.

What a load of rubbish! There's only one reason for McLaren to appeal and that's to win the championship. It's their last and only hope to salvage something from this season. Why can't they just admit it? Everyone knows it. Why lie?

Question? Why aren't Red Bull, Toyota and Super Aguri appealing? They will gain points if the BMWs and Williams cars are DQ'd. It's because they have little to gain even with the points. They don't, however, feel that the issue is "too important" and needs clarification.

McLaren do have something to gain but for some reason don't want to admit it.

Poor sportsmanship, I say.

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

What a load of rubbish! There's only one reason for McLaren to appeal and that's to win the championship. It's their last and only hope to salvage something from this season. Why can't they just admit it? Everyone knows it. Why lie?

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I was mostly neutral to McLaren prior to this year, but I have no respect for them left, and especially Ron Dennis. This is really the worst way to end the season from their prospective. (Especially after LH and FA were let of with no loss of points). I wish some of the shakers of the F1 world would come out and speak against this, and ask them to recall the request.

Lewis himself ought to speak out and say he will not now accept the WDC title from Kimi in this manner. (Not simply as he's already said he'd prefer to win it on track)

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

tamburello's example is extremely pertinent. There are limits to how far these things ought to be taken. As I said earlier, it is largely McLaren's fault that Hamilton wasn't in the position to win the title without requiring 'help' like this, because of the car's technical problems. For them to appeal in this case is an act of some desperation.

Malllen — the Peugeots that were disqualified from the San Remo rally in 1986 were 205s, not 206s. That was an absurd situation with an utterly unfair outcome, and it ended a horrible year for world rallying which was far worse than F1's year has been in 2007, because people died. Unless Italy reintroduces the death penalty specifically for Nigel Stepney, that's not going to be the case as a result of all that's gone on recently in F1.

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During the '86 San Remo on the final day one of the Lancias stopped in the stage to allow Alen to catch and pass, to make up the time. A really unsavoury end to a shameful episode, ....well it was in Italy.
Anyway I can't see the problem with McLaren appealing, the teams that finished ahead of one of their cars were found to have fuel irregularities, so is that okay? I don't think so, even though the performance improvement is negligible. What if it had happened early on in the season, I'm sure they might have been DSQ'D.
Back to Stepney and Ferrari, don't remember them being punished, after all their failure to control a member of their staff, or don't penalties affect Ferrari?