Is global warming/climate change a crock?

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Originally Posted by CharlieJ

There are very accurate weather records for most of the planet for the last century and a half.

http://www.heatisonline.org/weather.cfm

http://environment.independent.co.uk...cle2901009.ece

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"Most of the planet"? I find that really hard to believe. You want to tell me that there are detailed records of tornados and floodings from 100 years ago in - for example - all of the former USSR or in China?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Why do you feel it's a case of 'brainwashing'? What is there about the science that you doubt, and on what grounds?

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The 'brainwashing' is done by the 'go green' groups that try to make us believe that we are the only cause of global warming when there is no scentific prove saying that we are.

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Originally Posted by RaikkonenRules

The 'brainwashing' is done by the 'go green' groups that try to make us believe that we are the only cause of global warming when there is no scentific prove saying that we are.

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Yet again, do you believe all the scientists that say man has made a significant contribution to global warming are wrong? What makes you believe that you know better than them?

I'm not saying that they are definately wrong I'm just saying we shouldn't beleive what they say without definate proof. I presonally believe global warming is a natural process, hence the last ice age and that we are merely helping it along, not actually causing it.

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Originally Posted by RaikkonenRules

I'm not saying that they are definately wrong I'm just saying we shouldn't beleive what they say without definate proof. I presonally believe global warming is a natural process, hence the last ice age and that we are merely helping it along, not actually causing it.

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What other scientific viewpoints do you doubt in a similar way then? Why the fuss about global warming in this respect?

What proof do you need? And how the hell would it be even possible to prove it? If you sit here, waiting for the proof, or even looking for it, I'm sure the proof will come when it's already late anyway. :)

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

What other scientific viewpoints do you doubt in a similar way then? Why the fuss about global warming in this respect?

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I provided 2 a while back (T-Rex and the Ozone Layer hole). Science gets it wrong all the time. Steven Hawkins was debunked a couple of years ago too. Need more?

Just tell me about or point me to research that identifies how much global warming is natural (not caused by man as a percentage). Then it's simple math. No one EVER tells us what is natural GW.

You use the argument scientist "must have factored the naturally cased GW in" but then offer not a shred of evidence to back that statement up with facts.

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Originally Posted by Erki

What proof do you need? And how the hell would it be even possible to prove it? If you sit here, waiting for the proof, or even looking for it, I'm sure the proof will come when it's already late anyway. :)

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The truth is that the vast majority of people wouldn't know what that proof is, because they are not scientists.

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Originally Posted by Blancvino

I provided 2 a while back (T-Rex and the Ozone Layer hole). Science gets it wrong all the time. Steven Hawkins was debunked a couple of years ago too. Need more?

Just tell me about or point me to research that identifies how much global warming is natural (not caused by man as a percentage). Then it's simple math. No one EVER tells us what is natural GW.

You use the argument scientist "must have factored the naturally cased GW in" but then offer not a shred of evidence to back that statement up with facts.

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I don't see it as my job to do so, because I am not a scientist, let alone a climate scientist or researcher. A lot of people who, like me, are neither seem to believe that they know better than those who are.

Out of interest, what other scientific theories do you doubt in a similar way, or is it just this one?

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Originally Posted by RaikkonenRules

I'm not saying that they are definately wrong I'm just saying we shouldn't beleive what they say without definate proof. I presonally believe global warming is a natural process, hence the last ice age and that we are merely helping it along, not actually causing it.

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Exactly. But noooooooooo don't say that RaikkonenRules. The Eco-Nazi's will attack you. Just agree with them to shut them up. When the next ice age comes along they'll find a way to link it with stepladders or some other such rubbish and start outlawing stepladders.