Homophobia

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Originally Posted by EuroTroll

Why don't we all :kiss: and make up? :D

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Because you wanted a debate on this issue? :laugh:

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

Because you wanted a debate on this issue? :laugh:

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The way I see it, Spafranco and the others actually see the thing in pretty much the same light. There's nothing to debate. :) Except the minor issue of terminology. ;)

Now, if Roamy joined in - then we would have something to debate, I'm sure. :D

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Originally Posted by EuroTroll

Now, if Roamy joined in - then we would have something to debate, I'm sure. :D

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Then I'd better retire strategically...... :devil:

Good, now we can all start the day like happy campers :)

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

From one of the above posted links:

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Ah, I see. You see something contained in the article and straight away you dismiss it. I suppose that means that ALS was not a disease until Lou Gehrig came along.

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I didn't dismiss anything, or use it as a way to take a shot at you either. Being an older article it's more likely to use terminology that is less kind or PC if you will. Being that the world tends to be more PC these days it's rather expected, which is probably why some of us took your use of such terminology out of context. Once you posted this link I more understood your position and I'm sorry if I was one of the people that misjudged your earlier posts.

In the end since most of us aren't real life personal friends, we only have typed words to gauge people by. I hope you can see how your typed words came across as less polite than some other terms, which probably caused the poor judgements made by some of us. In either case you later typed words clarified your view, and I'm not about to deem anyone dishonest unless I have solid evidence to prove it correct. I'm glad you clarified your views, and once again apologize for doubting it earlier.

As an example of such subtle changes, my daughter is hoping to be accepted into a local academy program and we attended a function there on Saturday. They no longer teach "foreign languages" due to the fact that it somewhat alienates the other culture. They now teach "global languages" as showing that they are more accepting of the other cultures. Same intentions, just different choices of words.

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Originally Posted by EuroTroll

I get that impression from you too, actually. Don't quite understand why the donKey and others are so unhappy with your writing... :erm:

Why don't we all :kiss: and make up? :D

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We already accept that you are not a homophobe ET. You don't have to start kissing men to prove it! :) In this instance I'd admit being much more open minded to a first bump or manly shoulder bump.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

I didn't dismiss anything, or use it as a way to take a shot at you either. Being an older article it's more likely to use terminology that is less kind or PC if you will. Being that the world tends to be more PC these days it's rather expected, which is probably why some of us took your use of such terminology out of context. Once you posted this link I more understood your position and I'm sorry if I was one of the people that misjudged your earlier posts.

In the end since most of us aren't real life personal friends, we only have typed words to gauge people by. I hope you can see how your typed words came across as less polite than some other terms, which probably caused the poor judgements made by some of us. In either case you later typed words clarified your view, and I'm not about to deem anyone dishonest unless I have solid evidence to prove it correct. I'm glad you clarified your views, and once again apologize for doubting it earlier.

As an example of such subtle changes, my daughter is hoping to be accepted into a local academy program and we attended a function there on Saturday. They no longer teach "foreign languages" due to the fact that it somewhat alienates the other culture. They now teach "global languages" as showing that they are more accepting of the other cultures. Same intentions, just different choices of words.

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That is kind of you and I accept the apology although it was not necessary.

I work in a field where one says something in public and something else to co-workers. Unfortunately , that may have come across where my posts are concerned.

I am glad you brought that PC issue up about language. I never heard or read of anything related to that.

PC is good in some areas but when one has to think prior to making a comment then that is where it falls flat on it's face.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

Why are you are so offended by what I write when I am showing you exactly where these expressions originate [missing question mark].
Theatrics! Outrage! Neither applies to me but if you take a good look in the mirror you may get the answer to your own questions which I assume are questions since the is no question mark.

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a) I'm not offended at all. :dozey:
b) You're not showing where very serious anomaly or mishap originate at all. They are your own expressions.
c) When I ask a question, I use question marks. Try it! :p

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

Why are you so avidly aggressive when all I am doing is stating fact [missing question mark]. I have said it once and not again. I have no reason nor inclination to have feelings of bigotry towards gay people.

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"Very serious" is not fact, it's a subjective qualification - your own interpretation. "Mishap" is also arguable, don't you think?
Clearly you feel no bigotry towards gay people. Your intentions are good and you don't need to keep repeating how much you love and respect your gay family member. Nobody is asking you to. To be honest I couldn't care less how he may or may not feel when you label him as having a very serious anomaly or pity him for having to endure his mishap, or whether or not you are capable of self-reflection when these terms are questioned.




p.s. Avidly aggressive? Look in the mirror?

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

... sad indication of what society can breed.
The irony is that you are a sad uneducated neanderthal knuckle dragger that is more dangerous to society than the people you so cruelly dislike.

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Its a difficult one this and not one that can be easily explained. I think Spafranco's intentions are very different to how his wording has been greeted here. I've left this thread alone for a week or so but discussed this very topic with two gay men at the weekend and their opinion is not what some of you would expect. They felt although homosexuality is a natural phenomenon much like heterosexuality, but it is a mix up of sorts. I questioned deeper and asked if they thought they were abnormal in their sexuality and the response was that they are normal, but a minority in the grand scheme of things. Its not like we are going to be wiped out any time soon. :)

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